Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[paulpressey25]

The question is what will Bledsoe settle for in a four year deal?

I give up more assets to PHX the lower his four-year contract number is. If we get him for 4/$52 versus 4/$63, maybe I throw in Knight plus Ersan or something like that. If we need to go 4/$63, then I would be less inclined to offer tons.

Or you tell Phoenix that we will stay completely away from Bledsoe if they trade us Ennis for Ersan and a second or something like that. Use some extortion.

[Baddy Chuck]

I feel like Phoenix straight up matches anything that isn't max, forces us to get max cap space and on top of that makes us do a S&T if we want Bledsoe even at max.

[Chuck Diesel]

The question is what will Bledsoe settle for in a four year deal?

I give up more assets to PHX the lower his four-year contract number is. If we get him for 4/$52 versus 4/$63, maybe I throw in Knight plus Ersan or something like that. If we need to go 4/$63, then I would be less inclined to offer tons.

Or you tell Phoenix that we will stay completely away from Bledsoe if they trade us Ennis for Ersan and a second or something like that. Use some extortion.

John Hammond is the Artie Bucco of extortion attempts-

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epEaNNBMcmo[/youtube]

[breakchains]

My ideal "realistic" S&T is max + Ersan + Knight for Bledsoe.

You are going to have to overpay to even have a chance that Phoenix doesn't match. Ersan gives them a 4 who can shoot the 3, which Phx puts a premium on. Knight gives them another combo guard to put in their guard rotation.

I'd rather hold on to Henson. I've been critical of him but I think he's become undervalued here. He needs more playing time. He's definitely flashed rim protection skills and if he could develop a counter to his lefty hook, he'd be a pretty damn formidable center.

[pilprin]

Am I correct that a S&T can only be done prior to the signing of the offer sheet. Is that correct? So does a team need to have the available space before agreeing to a deal? Here is my point....I am confident we can unload a player if need be, but could an offer be agreed to first? If Phoenix is not interested in an S&T then make the move to sign the offer. Or does that space have to be available prior to making the offer?

[paulpressey25]

You need to have the space at the time the offer sheet is signed by the player. You get a cap hit at that level.

Once the sheet is signed, there can be no sign and trade done. Houston apparently whined for one with Parsons but either Dallas or the league said no.

For the Bucks, the whole art here is in the negotiation with Phoenix before a sheet is signed. This is where I hope Lasry or Edens is making that phone call. PHX ultimately holds the trump card to match any offer. BUT, if PHX had any reservations about paying Bledsoe that much money AND/OR might like some S&T assets, the Bucks need to explore that before Having Bledsoe sign any offer sheet.

Another consideration we haven't talked about is Dragic. His contract expires next year. He will want Bledsoe money. I'm just not sure PHX is in position to tie up $32 million a year in those two guys with basically a D-League type front court.

PHX crapped the bed by winning those 48 games in a year they needed to tank.

[Badgerlander]

I'd bet money that PHX wouldn't match if we offered the same contract that Parson got. If we don't get him we get a higher pick, if we do we are only constrained for 3 years max if he gets hurt. Win-win. Why give away assets that we don't need to if their own beat guys think that they won't match.

[paulpressey25]

I'd bet money that PHX wouldn't match if we offered the same contract that Parson got. If we don't get him we get a higher pick, if we do we are only constrained for 3 years max if he gets hurt. Win-win. Why give away assets that we don't need to if their own beat guys think that they won't match.

Question. If you owned an NBA team, how much better would you feel about landing Bledsoe at 3yrs/$45 million versus having to pay him 4yrs/$63 million?

[WeekapaugGroove]

PP- what were the suns supposed to do last year? Fire hornicek once they realized he ran a good system and got his guys to play hard every night? Last offseason they traded dudley, Scola, and gortats expiring for 2 1st rounders, bledsoe, green and plumlee. They did it the right way and went young. It just so happened that dragic and green excelled. The Morris brother also took a nice step forward last year (they are certainly not dleague talent lol)

Not every team had the "privilege" of employing the ultimate tank commanders in drew and hammond.

As someone who's a fan of the bucks and suns I was happy I at least had one of my teams that didn't make me want to pour gas in my eyes when I watched them play.

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[Chuck Diesel]

Yeah I very much disagree that the Suns "crapped the bed" last season by winning 48 games.

[paulpressey25]

^^^I have no idea what the Suns were supposed to do last year. But in my opinion they find themselves stuck like the Bucks were after the FTD season. The West is damn tough and I'm not sure how they go anywhere beyond a 40-45 win team unless they find a front court player who turns into an all star go to guy. I'm sure they hoped Len will be that guy, but he hasn't had a good start.

I guess my bigger point is that right now the Suns are in that Michael Redd/Mo Williams free agency territory the Bucks were in a number of years back. You absolutely don't want to lose the asset, but at the same time, you absolutely don't want to stuff up your salary cap with a max contract for a guy with the health risk that Bledsoe carries with him.

[RRyder823]

Yeah I very much disagree that the Suns "Crapped the bed" last season by winning 48 games.

That's like saying if the Bucks win 50 this year on the backs of Giannis, Parker and Sanders management really dropped the ball and royaly F'd up by not tanking hard..... Wait..... There will be people on this board saying that

[emunney]

Yeah I very much disagree that the Suns "Crapped the bed" last season by winning 48 games.

That's like saying if the Bucks win 50 this year on the backs of Giannis, Parker and Sanders management really dropped the ball and royaly F'd up by not tanking hard..... Wait..... There will be people on this board saying that

Not exactly. The Suns were a much older team last year than the Bucks will be this year. Everybody in their rotation was 24 and up.

[wichmae]

Sounds like HOU will throw max offer at Bledsoe.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Sounds like HOU will throw max offer at Bledsoe.

Crap.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sounds like HOU will throw max offer at Bledsoe.

how does Houston have the cap space with Howard ariza and harden on the books? One of the suns board insides did say about a month ago that the two teams had discussed a deal centered around Bledsoe and harden.

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[Big Dog Yank]

Sounds like HOU will throw max offer at Bledsoe.

Not sure where this is coming from. Couldn't find anything linking them to Bledsoe. Sources? Links?

[Chuck Diesel]

Be very content to pick up Ish Smith or Peyton Siva off waivers.

[randy84]

Be very content to pick up Ish Smith or Peyton Siva off waivers.

I would take a flier on Siva, don't want Ish again.

[Badgerlander]

I'd bet money that PHX wouldn't match if we offered the same contract that Parson got. If we don't get him we get a higher pick, if we do we are only constrained for 3 years max if he gets hurt. Win-win. Why give away assets that we don't need to if their own beat guys think that they won't match.

Question. If you owned an NBA team, how much better would you feel about landing Bledsoe at 3yrs/$45 million versus having to pay him 4yrs/$63 million?

When I am already paying 4yrs 27mil for Isaiah and drafted Ennis and am facing a max extension for Dragic and the Morris twins next summer? not to mention finding playing time for Goodwin and Green? Not so good actually.