Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[drew881]

Marc Stein on Mike and Mike saying that we really wanted Chandler and we set his contract and Phoenix matched our offer.

Scary we were willing to give that deal to Chandler.

He also said we have a real shot at landing Monroe.

So...when does all this sucking up to Jeff Schwartz lead to us benefitting?

Don't get me wrong, 4 years to Chandler is nasty and I am concerned if we really offered that.

I guess I'm hoping Monroe was always our target and Stein missed part of the story where Chandler signed in Phoenix because he was plan B or C for the Bucks. That would be understandable.

Generally hoping we are not being brutally played by the agents for leverage, and that something good comes out of this for us however which way.

Instead of viewing this from the Schwartz taking advantage of us angle, what if we view it from the Kidd-Chandler friendship angle. Maybe Kidd did his buddy a nice ten million dollar favor and drove up Chandler's price, knowing he'd never come here. That info could easily be facilitated through the common agent.

[Newz]

Has Mozgov signed anywhere yet? Is he a possibility?

The Cavs had a team option for this year at 4.95mil that they picked up.

Oh.

I thought he had a Player Option and he opted out for some reason. Never mind.

[jabarinum1]

Yep. And the panic move(s) we make after we strike out could be epic. Welcome back to the Kohl era folks. Thank god we lucked into Giannis and to a lesser extent Jabari.

We have yet to make a single "Kohl era" move since Kohl sold the team. How about saving these ridiculous posts for AFTER we make a Drew Gooden/John Salmons/Carlos Delfino/Stephen Jackson/Corey Maggette/JJ Redick type move?

I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict you, and the other usual suspects, will somehow equate the new regime to the Kohl era regardless of what happens in free agency. If the Bucks don't sign anyone of note it'll be "I thought Jason Kidd was going to attract free agents..." If we land a Schwartz guy, it'll be "Schwartzy-meddle this and Schwartzy-meddle that." And if we do land a Greg Monroe or Robin Lopez, you know, guys in the prime of their careers, you'll say the contract was too expensive or we signed the wrong guys.

Jason Kidd and LED won't win over a certain contingent until we win a title. Which seems fair.

Ha! Some nice jumps you made there.

We haven't made one single Kohl era move? Bayless, Vasquez for multiple picks, falling over ourselves to max out an above average soft big in Monroe, bringing in 93 year old Kenyon Martin, trying to re-sign Knight. The only thing I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him.

"Trying to resign Knight" " I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him"

So trying to resign Knight was Kohl era, but not resigning him was not Kohl era also.

[Badgerlander]

Free agency is barely a day old and people are already comparing this to a Kohl offseason?

Bill Michaels fans? lol

[randy84]

Ha! Some nice jumps you made there.

We haven't made one single Kohl era move? Bayless, Vasquez for multiple picks, falling over ourselves to max out an above average soft big in Monroe, bringing in 93 year old Kenyon Martin, trying to re-sign Knight. The only thing I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him.

I'm "making jumps" yet you're the one comparing inconsequential 10-day contracts, 2-year vet minimum deals, and trading a very late 1st rounder which most likely won't net a player as good as Vasquez, to moves from the Kohl era? Hell, I didn't even like the Bayless signing or Vasquez trade. But they're blip moves. They don't change anything about building this thing the right way. And here you are using the "K" word.

Please sell me on our offseason if we don't end up signing Monroe.

Might be the best thing to happen to the Bucks.

They were a 41 win team with Jabari out most of the season. If everyone progresses as is expected, this team could be a 50 win team without signing anyone.

They will also have a better idea of what Henson is and the Bucks will have a boatload of money next year when Mayo, Dudley, Vasquez, Bayless and Zaza come off the books.

Hell, I wouldn't make any moves this offseason and get ready to gear up for next year.

[WRau1]

Marc Stein on Mike and Mike saying that we really wanted Chandler and we set his contract and Phoenix matched our offer.

Scary we were willing to give that deal to Chandler.

He also said we have a real shot at landing Monroe.

So...when does all this sucking up to Jeff Schwartz lead to us benefitting?

Don't get me wrong, 4 years to Chandler is nasty and I am concerned if we really offered that.

I guess I'm hoping Monroe was always our target and Stein missed part of the story where Chandler signed in Phoenix because he was plan B or C for the Bucks. That would be understandable.

Generally hoping we are not being brutally played by the agents for leverage, and that something good comes out of this for us however which way.

Instead of viewing this from the Schwartz taking advantage of us angle, what if we view it from the Kidd-Chandler friendship angle. Maybe Kidd did his buddy a nice ten million dollar favor and drove up Chandler's price, knowing he'd never come here. That info could easily be facilitated through the common agent.

Yeah, just like we did for Abdul-Rahim.

[raferfenix]

I missed that the Grizzlies signed Brandon Wright for 3 years $18 million.

That's a great deal for them. And shows that Koufos is definitely gone.

If Koufos is the Bucks' back up plan if Montoe and Lopez don't work out, I'd be cool with that...depending on what we pay him.

[jakecronus8]

I get that a lot of people are gonna be cool with whatever the Bucks do at the time because they wanna believe it's a good move. We've done it so many times in years past to have it blow up in our face.

But go back a month and tell me youd wanna max out Greg Monroe. Pretty sure you'd get eaten alive on this board. Now that it may happen it's "ZOMG! Greg Monroe!!!! What a great move!!!!" Go back a month and tell me you'd give up that Clippers first, our second and a chunk of our cap space for Vasquez. Pretty sure you'd be laughed at and called a troll. Now the narrative is, "that pick won't be worth much, and Vazques is a really good fit." Hell even just before the draft, tell people we should pass on Portis for Vaughn and youd be boo'd off the internet. This board can be so two faced its funny.

[BuildingBucks]

What pisses me off most is the line of BS we were given when LED bought the team that they were going to slowly build the team and how we should be patient, blah blah blah.

That wasn't BS, they just didn't expect us to go from 15 wins to 41 as quick as we did.

[LUKE23]

So is that Sac first next season for Philly? If it is, they probably have five firsts. They already have LAL (1-3 protection), MIA (1-10 protection), OKC (1-15 protection), and their own. That, and they, to me, have a sick frontcourt moving forward in Okafor/Noel, perfect pairing. They are set up well if they draft well.

[jakecronus8]

What pisses me off most is the line of BS we were given when LED bought the team that they were going to slowly build the team and how we should be patient, blah blah blah.

That wasn't BS, they just didn't expect us to go from 15 wins to 41 as quick as we did.

Exactly. And abandoning your plan because you made the playoffs is stupid.

[TroyD92]

Still not buying into Phillys plan, but we'll see.

[Ron Swanson]

Marc Stein on Mike and Mike saying that we really wanted Chandler and we set his contract and Phoenix matched our offer.

Scary we were willing to give that deal to Chandler.

He also said we have a real shot at landing Monroe.

So...when does all this sucking up to Jeff Schwartz lead to us benefitting?

Don't get me wrong, 4 years to Chandler is nasty and I am concerned if we really offered that.

I guess I'm hoping Monroe was always our target and Stein missed part of the story where Chandler signed in Phoenix because he was plan B or C for the Bucks. That would be understandable.

Generally hoping we are not being brutally played by the agents for leverage, and that something good comes out of this for us however which way.

Instead of viewing this from the Schwartz taking advantage of us angle, what if we view it from the Kidd-Chandler friendship angle. Maybe Kidd did his buddy a nice ten million dollar favor and drove up Chandler's price, knowing he'd never come here. That info could easily be facilitated through the common agent.

Nope, cuz that wouldn't fit the narrative of Kidd being a biased, meddling shadow GM who is only concerned about doing his poker buddies a solid at the expense of team-building and winning. Despite the fact that there's only, what.....2 Schwartz clients on the roster?

[raferfenix]

Instead of viewing this from the Schwartz taking advantage of us angle, what if we view it from the Kidd-Chandler friendship angle. Maybe Kidd did his buddy a nice ten million dollar favor and drove up Chandler's price, knowing he'd never come here. That info could easily be facilitated through the common agent.

Hoping something like this is the case, but there was so much smoke about Chandler (even from BuckPack) that it would be real serious agent maneuvering to say the least.

[JimmyTheKid]

Ha! Some nice jumps you made there.

We haven't made one single Kohl era move? Bayless, Vasquez for multiple picks, falling over ourselves to max out an above average soft big in Monroe, bringing in 93 year old Kenyon Martin, trying to re-sign Knight. The only thing I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him.

I'm "making jumps" yet you're the one comparing inconsequential 10-day contracts, 2-year vet minimum deals, and trading a very late 1st rounder which most likely won't net a player as good as Vasquez, to moves from the Kohl era? Hell, I didn't even like the Bayless signing or Vasquez trade. But they're blip moves. They don't change anything about building this thing the right way. And here you are using the "K" word.

Please sell me on our offseason if we don't end up signing Monroe.

I'm fine with the offseason if we don't end up signing Monroe or Robin Lopez. Even if we just bring in O'Quinn or Koufos to get Zaza out of the starting center position, I think we get better. I'd say we got fair market value for Khris Middleton and didn't overpay some crummy vet on the downside of his career to chase the 8th seed. We're exactly one season removed from winning 15 games and heading in the right direction.

[LUKE23]

I get that a lot of people are gonna be cool with whatever the Bucks do at the time because they wanna believe it's a good move. We've done it so many times in years past to have it blow up in our face.

But go back a month and tell me youd wanna max out Greg Monroe. Pretty sure you'd get eaten alive on this board. Now that it may happen it's "ZOMG! Greg Monroe!!!! What a great move!!!!" Go back a month and tell me you'd give up that Clippers first, our second and a chunk of our cap space for Vasquez. Pretty sure you'd be laughed at and called a troll. Now the narrative is, "that pick won't be worth much, and Vazques is a really good fit." Hell even just before the draft, tell people we should pass on Portis for Vaughn and youd be boo'd off the internet. This board can be so two faced its funny.

Well, to me, you have to look at the core. I think there are risks with Monroe, but at what point under Kohl was our entire starting five and over half our bench rotation 25 and younger, with two guys who likely see multiple all-star games? I mean, you have to compare what we already have, not just the moves made this offseason. Some are acting like we are adding these players to Jennings/Ellis.

Is MCW/Middleton/Parker/Giannis/Monroe perfect? No. Is it one of the top 3-4 young cores in the league? Easily, without debate.

[drew881]

Yeah, just like we did for Abdul-Rahim.

Don't remember the story on this. What was it?

[drew881]

Instead of viewing this from the Schwartz taking advantage of us angle, what if we view it from the Kidd-Chandler friendship angle. Maybe Kidd did his buddy a nice ten million dollar favor and drove up Chandler's price, knowing he'd never come here. That info could easily be facilitated through the common agent.

Hoping something like this is the case, but there was so much smoke about Chandler (even from BuckPack) that it would be real serious agent maneuvering to say the least.

If something like this were the case, I would imagine that no one outside of Kidd/Chandler/Schwartz know about it. Process: Kidd tells Hammond: "Go get Chandler. This is the money it will take (he knows because of agents)." Offer is immediately put in, and then Chandler relatively quickly got himself out of the way and signed with Phoenix, which is doing a favor back to the Bucks.

[Newz]

I get that a lot of people are gonna be cool with whatever the Bucks do at the time because they wanna believe it's a good move. We've done it so many times in years past to have it blow up in our face.

But go back a month and tell me youd wanna max out Greg Monroe. Pretty sure you'd get eaten alive on this board. Now that it may happen it's "ZOMG! Greg Monroe!!!! What a great move!!!!" Go back a month and tell me you'd give up that Clippers first, our second and a chunk of our cap space for Vasquez. Pretty sure you'd be laughed at and called a troll. Now the narrative is, "that pick won't be worth much, and Vazques is a really good fit." Hell even just before the draft, tell people we should pass on Portis for Vaughn and youd be boo'd off the internet. This board can be so two faced its funny.

Well, to me, you have to look at the core. I think there are risks with Monroe, but at what point under Kohl was our entire starting five and over half our bench rotation 25 and younger, with two guys who likely see multiple all-star games? I mean, you have to compare what we already have, not just the moves made this offseason. Some are acting like we are adding these players to Jennings/Ellis.

Is MCW/Middleton/Parker/Giannis/Monroe perfect? No. Is it one of the top 3-4 young cores in the league? Easily, without debate.

Well to be fair we acquired Giannis while Kohl was still in charge... and the new owners bought the team when the number 2 pick was already secured. So I wouldn't exactly give them credit for adding those guys. Even Middleton was already on the team when they purchased it.

Their 'big splash' so far has been MCW.

[WRau1]

Yeah, just like we did for Abdul-Rahim.

Don't remember the story on this. What was it?

We offered Bobby Simmons and SAR the same contract and told them whomever gets back to us first gets the money. Simmons responded first so we gave it to him. Larry Harris wanted a good relationship with SAR's agent so did him a solid by supporting the claim that SAR turned our contract down so that he could get more monies.