Bucks Bogdan Bogdanovic Boondoggle

[skones]

Bledsoe shot 25% or worse from 3 in the last two playoffs. Enough said, bad fit with Giannis.

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29% and 26% on catch-and-shoot 3's the last 2 seasons too. Jrue was 36% and 35%. That's a huge difference

And STILL below average. We gave up 3 firsts and 2 pick swaps for below average at the one skill that is paramount to spreading the floor for Giannis.

[slos]

Any news on how his contract will look like? According to the sign and trade rules for Sacramento he counts for his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. So if Bogdan signs for less than 17 mil - which he will - he counts for $8,529,386. I believe this is the reason James was included in the trade. Without him the starting salary for Bogdan would be too low.

If my math is accurate Bogdan's new contract cannot start above 15,047,367, which is his 2019 salary + James' 2020 salary + 5 mil rule. That's less than the 16+ talk, which is a small difference but could be the key for Milwaukee to have full access to their MLE.

Year 1: 15,047,367
Year 2: 15,799,735
Year 3: 16,589,721
Year 4: 17,419,207
Total: 64,856,030

That's what I predict his contract will be.

[Licensed to Il]

I have had a Chuck Diesel like love of Serbs ever since. Bogdanovic is going to be the best shooting guard we have had since Ray. And he has some developmental upside left, probably not physically but I think Bud's system will get him better looks. His length is better than casual fans realize. And he has some fiestiness to him, as anyone who knows about the Balkans would know that Serbs have.

Max Redd takes umbrage at this Miguel Rojo erasure.

It will be interesting to compare BB and Redd at the end of this contract. Redd put up great offensive numbers on some crap teams. And is the all time most controversial Buck in terms of "was he overrated or underrated?" I don't think the Mike Redd bar is insurmountable, would be my final point.

[CharityStripe34]

Just watching some Bogdan highlights. I was pleasantly surprised at how well he shoots coming off screens, especially moving to his left. This could be a nice weapon if it's integrated into the offense. Unlike Korver, Bogdan is also effective curling off the screens. I will be really disappointed if Bud plants Bogdan on the perimeter, and puts the entire offense on Giannis's shoulders again.

I'm into these trades for the excitement alone, but you've hit on an undiscussed point: will any of this matter come playoffs if Bud doesn't run plays to each player's strengths and more importantly, adjust when it's not working.

This is my biggest question. On paper, this is probably the best starting 5 of Gianni's career so far. Will Bud incorporate more motion and pick-and-roll into the half-court offense instead of the five-out D'Antoni-ball with four guys standing behind the three?

I've always maintained that Gianni's game will be unlocked when he's free of the burden of being lead play-maker along with leading scorer, rebounder and defender. This doesn't mean he wont be able to get assists, but this will allow him to work on his post fundamentals and mid-range shot and moving off the ball.

[Aaron It Out]

How's his defense? Do we need to worry about him becoming Mirza?

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[BucksRule18]

If these trades were made with Giannis's blessing, then that's all I need to hear. Whether or not we overpaid for Holiday (or even Bogdon) is a moot point, since we need to do everything possible to sign Giannis long term. If we're consistently one of the best regular season teams over the next few years, having a pick at 29 or 30 is probably not that much better than buying a second round pick at 45. It's a crapshoot at that point.

I just hope that Wes accepts his option for next year. We also still have Rolo for the regular season and hopefully he can also factor into the playoffs next year. Just need to sign a decent back-up point guard and a couple of ring chasers. If they can't make the finals this year with this line-up, then maybe Giannis does need his Jordan to win a championship. I just don't think we can realistically get that superstar at such short notice.

[Coach Carter]

Always felt that we didn't have enough guys step up for us when it mattered most. Giannis, Khris and brook have been our best playoff performers. From the guys we shipped out to make these moves, only hill will be remembered for good reasons but I feel we got all we could out of him. Holiday has been good in the playoffs and bogdan dare I say, ala Dragic has been preparing for this his whole life. Assuming this team stays healthy, you have 5 guys that will make their presence felt. Watching the Raptors win, the heat finishing runners up, both these teams had at least 6 - 7 guys that played well for them. So assuming we stay healthy, this should be our best crack at the title. Bud offcourse remains questionable.

[agiaco]

This, as a trade, is better than the Holiday deal. Awesome deal. Bogdan isn't quite the player Jrue is, but acquiring him for DDV is a no-brainer. 6'6 with a 6'11 wingspan. He can score on all levels and is super crafty. Very clutch player with stats to back that up.

I was just watching his highlights minutes before I read Woj's tweet about the trade and that got me even more excited. He still has untapped potential so the Bucks core is a great mix of experience and youth.

The issue with the Bucks' roster the last few years is that besides Giannis and Khris, most of the players were all just pretty good but not really good. Adding Jrue and Bogdan give them two more really good players and the roster will fill out from here.

[chonestown]

I have had a Chuck Diesel like love of Serbs ever since. Bogdanovic is going to be the best shooting guard we have had since Ray. And he has some developmental upside left, probably not physically but I think Bud's system will get him better looks. His length is better than casual fans realize. And he has some fiestiness to him, as anyone who knows about the Balkans would know that Serbs have.

Max Redd takes umbrage at this Miguel Rojo erasure.

It will be interesting to compare BB and Redd at the end of this contract. Redd put up great offensive numbers on some crap teams. And is the all time most controversial Buck in terms of "was he overrated or underrated?" I don't think the Mike Redd bar is insurmountable, would be my final point.

I think you're right. When you made the best since Ray point, I had to do some mental inventory and it took me way too long to remember Redd. Seems like he was chuckin' 'em up eons ago.

[WRau1]

I just hope that Wes accepts his option for next year. We also still have Rolo for the regular season and hopefully he can also factor into the playoffs next year.

[DrWood]

considering I think Donte is better all-around going forward than Bogdan, I'm not happy.

[DrWood]

How's his defense?

Significantly below average. The bucks seem to do a good job of hiding players defensive deficiencies, but we'll see.

[humanrefutation]

Bogdan is going to get much better looks here than he did in Sactown. I wouldn't be surprised if he's shooting 40+% on threes this year.

[drdrG]

How's his defense?

Significantly below average. The bucks seem to do a good job of hiding players defensive deficiencies, but we'll see.

To my eye he's quite a good team defender who suffered in a Kings system with no plus defenders. Imagine trying to stop the leaks with Hield, Bagley or whatever other wings/bigs they played. He's got really high BBIQ, great hands and length. He doesn't have the upside of DDV but "significantly below average" seems off.

[skones]

I have had a Chuck Diesel like love of Serbs ever since. Bogdanovic is going to be the best shooting guard we have had since Ray. And he has some developmental upside left, probably not physically but I think Bud's system will get him better looks. His length is better than casual fans realize. And he has some fiestiness to him, as anyone who knows about the Balkans would know that Serbs have.

Max Redd takes umbrage at this Miguel Rojo erasure.

It will be interesting to compare BB and Redd at the end of this contract. Redd put up great offensive numbers on some crap teams. And is the all time most controversial Buck in terms of "was he overrated or underrated?" I don't think the Mike Redd bar is insurmountable, would be my final point.

The Mike Redd bar is unsurmountable. He was miscast as a 1. He wasn't a 1. Bogdanovic isn't going to drop 24, 25, 26 a game on a +4ish +5ish TS% relative to league average. Hell, Bogdanovic carried a league average TS% in a lesser role. His "great offensive numbers" look even better because they were on crap teams given the efficiency he was able to carry with all of that defensive attention. We all railed against Redd when he was here because he got paid and he didn't do enough by way of making teammates around him better. Neither did Bradley Beal. Both guys are absolute cream of the crop scorers relative to their leagues.

[BucksRule18]

Always felt that we didn't have enough guys step up for us when it mattered most. Giannis, Khris and brook have been our best playoff performers. From the guys we shipped out to make these moves, only hill will be remembered for good reasons but I feel we got all we could out of him. Holiday has been good in the playoffs and bogdan dare I say, ala Dragic has been preparing for this his whole life. Assuming this team stays healthy, you have 5 guys that will make their presence felt. Watching the Raptors win, the heat finishing runners up, both these teams had at least 6 - 7 guys that played well for them. So assuming we stay healthy, this should be our best crack at the title. Bud offcourse remains questionable.

I think Bud should focus on playing his starters 38-42 per game to build up their stamina for the playoffs. I'd much rather play Giannis 40 minutes a game and then rest him on back to backs than limiting his minutes to 32 during the regular season, and then having him brick three throws late in playoff games because he's exhausted. This would also give Giannis a chance to learn how to stay out of foul trouble and conserve energy for the 4th quarter. If he knows he's only out there for only 32 minute, he'll usually go full tilt, which doesn't work for the playoffs.

[skones]

Always felt that we didn't have enough guys step up for us when it mattered most. Giannis, Khris and brook have been our best playoff performers. From the guys we shipped out to make these moves, only hill will be remembered for good reasons but I feel we got all we could out of him. Holiday has been good in the playoffs and bogdan dare I say, ala Dragic has been preparing for this his whole life. Assuming this team stays healthy, you have 5 guys that will make their presence felt. Watching the Raptors win, the heat finishing runners up, both these teams had at least 6 - 7 guys that played well for them. So assuming we stay healthy, this should be our best crack at the title. Bud offcourse remains questionable.

I think Bud should focus on playing his starters 38-42 per game to build up their stamina for the playoffs. I'd much rather play Giannis 40 minutes a game and then rest him on back to backs than limiting his minutes to 32 during the regular season, and then having him brick three throws late in playoff games because he's exhausted. This would also give Giannis a chance to learn how to stay out of foul trouble and conserve energy for the 4th quarter. If he knows he's only out there for only 32 minute, he'll usually go full tilt, which doesn't work for the playoffs.

Consistently playing these guys 38-42 minutes per contest is just about the dumbest thing you can possibly do during the regular season. It's a good way to run your entire team into the ground in any season let alone one in which you've got a shortened offseason with relatively limited access to resources when compared to "normalcy."

It's not Giannis going "full tilt" in the playoffs that's a problem. It's his basketball IQ and lack of counters. Bud **** up last year by not taking the ramp up to the playoffs seriously and then trying to flip a switch after a long layoff. You can stretch these guys minutes out here and there, but consistently, no.

[BucksRule18]

I just hope that Wes accepts his option for next year. We also still have Rolo for the regular season and hopefully he can also factor into the playoffs next year.

Just read that. Oh well.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Bogdan is going to get much better looks here than he did in Sactown. I wouldn't be surprised if he's shooting 40+% on threes this year.

Yep, people always underestimate how guys are going to play when joining this system.

[Gianstoppable]

considering I think Donte is better all-around going forward than Bogdan, I'm not happy.

Donte will be 24 in 2 months and while he has made some improvements and is better defensively Bogdan is a much better fit offensively