Bucks sign Bobby Portis

[ShootingtheJ]

Sell high.

You're high. Just admit you were wrong on him. He's really good, just what we needed, and will continue to improve.

IDK man the team consistently plays at their worst when he's on the court.

Except this simply isn't true. He's not Forbes.

[tedbrogen]

He is a better backup big than I thought he'd be but he still kinda sucks. I wish they had a more capable defender on the bench. Brook has looked better lately which helps but I still think Portis as the main big off the bench will be unpleasant in the playoffs.

My perception was they lost to the Heat because they couldn’t hit shots. When Giannis was walled off and Midds got a pushed off his spots, only Brook was hitting shots. The Heat could go with lineups to play Brook off the court.

Those long cold stretches on O made it really easy for the Heat to score against defenses that were never set.

Sometimes you need guys who can get a bucket. Portis is fearless and can get a bucket. Or if someone else missing, Portis will fight like crazy to get the offensive board.

[M-C-G]

Too early to think about how we retain him?

Bobby’s playing well enough where he won’t exercise his player option I imagine.

Might cost us the MLE.

No, instead of thinking about how to retain him, you need to be thinking about how to replace him when he leaves. As is the case with anyone that isn't 'core' for this team.

We've reached the stage of our roster, we will likely be churning the bottom third every year. I love Pat, but we made a mistake keeping him for three years, can't stack those mistakes on top of each other. We already have an issue trying to clear roster spot to get a buyout player that could help us come playoff time.

I completely get the point, but these guys are our middle 3rd. Which is a little scary. Churning you 6-8 men every year is not ideal at all.

Dude, not ideal, we are about to have 121M (assuming Holiday does a Beal type extension) wrapped up in Giannis, Midd, Holiday, Brook next year. Luxury tax threshold this year is 132M for comparison.

We have reached the point where we always need to be thinking about the next Pat C, the next Portis. And good for them, let them get a big deal coming out of MKE, it will encourage a steady stream of guys that need to reboot their careers, hopefully more often than not we get a team option instead of the player option.

[M-C-G]

You're high. Just admit you were wrong on him. He's really good, just what we needed, and will continue to improve.

IDK man the team consistently plays at their worst when he's on the court.

Except this simply isn't true. He's not Forbes.

Haven't seen enough to know, but I like what I saw last night. Also, we are nowhere near far enough along to make any decisions on anyone other than;
a.) Merrill is the next Larry Bird
b.) Nwora needs a haircut
c.) DJ Wilson is back to being terrible at bball

[M-C-G]

Just looking at spotrac, almost 5M coming off the books after this season with Larry and Leuer finally being done. Not sure that is tangible money to do anything with given the Giannis extension and hopefully Holiday extending.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No, instead of thinking about how to retain him, you need to be thinking about how to replace him when he leaves. As is the case with anyone that isn't 'core' for this team.

We've reached the stage of our roster, we will likely be churning the bottom third every year. I love Pat, but we made a mistake keeping him for three years, can't stack those mistakes on top of each other. We already have an issue trying to clear roster spot to get a buyout player that could help us come playoff time.

I completely get the point, but these guys are our middle 3rd. Which is a little scary. Churning you 6-8 men every year is not ideal at all.

Dude, not ideal, we are about to have 121M (assuming Holiday does a Beal type extension) wrapped up in Giannis, Midd, Holiday, Brook next year. Luxury tax threshold this year is 132M for comparison.

We have reached the point where we always need to be thinking about the next Pat C, the next Portis. And good for them, let them get a big deal coming out of MKE, it will encourage a steady stream of guys that need to reboot their careers, hopefully more often than not we get a team option instead of the player option.

agree here. guys like forbes and portis... older ring chasers.... we will have the pick of the crop each and every year. offer them cheap salaries and player options. rotate them annually if they want to get paid. what little salary flexibility we have left we need to keep for these maneuvers. splitting the mle up gets us 2-3 solid guys instead of 1.

[SupremeHustle]

BP is Z-Bo lite.

[Baddy Chuck]

You're high. Just admit you were wrong on him. He's really good, just what we needed, and will continue to improve.

IDK man the team consistently plays at their worst when he's on the court.

Except this simply isn't true. He's not Forbes.

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[RiotPunch]

Sell high.

You're high. Just admit you were wrong on him. He's really good, just what we needed, and will continue to improve.

Where did I say he hasn't been good? Selling high implies his stock is high.

[ShootingtheJ]

Sell high.

You're high. Just admit you were wrong on him. He's really good, just what we needed, and will continue to improve.

Where did I say he hasn't been good? Selling high implies his stock is high.

Your implying that he's with more in trade than he does to the team. The team badly needs him.

[RiotPunch]

You're high. Just admit you were wrong on him. He's really good, just what we needed, and will continue to improve.

Where did I say he hasn't been good? Selling high implies his stock is high.

Your implying that he's with more in trade than he does to the team. The team badly needs him.

As currently constructed we do need his scoring punch (pun intended), but I am still uneasy about A) trusting him in a playoff environment, and B) paying him what will be necessary to keep him.

Not advocating trading him just to trade him, he's been really fun and has added a lot of things we've been lacking. Just think he's an interesting chip right now, and Horst should be open minded. No guarantee that he continues to improve either, although that's the hope.

[Baddy Chuck]

As currently constructed we do need his scoring punch (pun intended), but I am still uneasy about A) trusting him in a playoff environment, and B) paying him what will be necessary to keep him.

Not advocating trading him just to trade him, he's been really fun and has added a lot of things we've been lacking. Just think he's an interesting chip right now, and Horst should be open minded. No guarantee that he continues to improve either, although that's the hope.

Is he really that interesting of a chip though? I feel like the most we'd be looking at is some second round pick level asset from a team we're trying to compete with.

[RiotPunch]

As currently constructed we do need his scoring punch (pun intended), but I am still uneasy about A) trusting him in a playoff environment, and B) paying him what will be necessary to keep him.

Not advocating trading him just to trade him, he's been really fun and has added a lot of things we've been lacking. Just think he's an interesting chip right now, and Horst should be open minded. No guarantee that he continues to improve either, although that's the hope.

Is he really that interesting of a chip though? I feel like the most we'd be looking at is some second round pick level asset from a team we're trying to compete with.

Interesting compared to asking a team to take on Pat or DJA's deal as filler, I guess. Not really as a standalone asset.

[Pachinko_]

I don't mind him actually. He moves as well as I remembered, but he's bigger than I thought, and he plays within himself so far. If he makes the team worse in analytics, then it's one of those things where I can't see how he does that on the floor.

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[ShootingtheJ]

If he makes the team worse in analytics, then it's one of those things where I can't see how he does that on the floor.

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It's just a fluke, his on/off was good a few games ago, and it will be again in a few games.

[Baddy Chuck]

If he makes the team worse in analytics, then it's one of those things where I can't see how he does that on the floor.

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It's just a fluke, his on/off was good a few games ago, and it will be again in a few games.

Oh you mean kind of like if you look at Bryn Forbes first handful of games and then the last handful of games you could maybe derive that the few games in the middle that tanked him might not define his entire worth to the team yeah I could see that.

[ShootingtheJ]

If he makes the team worse in analytics, then it's one of those things where I can't see how he does that on the floor.

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It's just a fluke, his on/off was good a few games ago, and it will be again in a few games.

Oh you mean kind of like if you look at Bryn Forbes first handful of games and then the last handful of games you could maybe derive that the few games in the middle that tanked him might not define his entire worth to the team yeah I could see that.

If you look at the larger sample, his career, then no, it would be hard to see him being anything other than a huge net negative.

Portis has never been on a team with any understanding of player development, he's still becoming the player he'll be.

[emunney]

I don't mind him actually. He moves as well as I remembered, but he's bigger than I thought, and he plays within himself so far. If he makes the team worse in analytics, then it's one of those things where I can't see how he does that on the floor.

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It's because he's subbing in for one of two guys who protect the rim extraordinarily well.

[giannis and 1]

Portis is a beast, I love this guy. F*ck defense, we suck at it anyways. I'd rather hedge my bets on Portis getting better at defending than trotting Brooks humpty dumpty ass out there. Brook gets burned way more any ways.

[giannis and 1]

Oh yeah, and props to "John Worst" for signing this guy. Another solid cheap low key pick up. He has made some mistakes but he also has had a lot of these the last few years, which have strengthened the team a lot. Guys like Brook, Pat, Forbes (I know ppl **** on him but I think he will improve), and now Portis.

Hopefully Horst can continue to look for players like this that can be had for cheap, and let them go when they ask for too much of a raise. Brook and Pat on their original deals are huge plusses, but not so much on their current deals.