ATL - Embiid Out for the Season

[Sigra]

I remember when Harden was MVP. Scoring at will, passing, crazy 3s

How that ended? But Luka will not last that long. His body is already in trouble.

[JayMKE]

Luka is 26 this month. Bird was done basicly at 32 and he was not fat.

Luka doesn’t have chronic back issues or anything like that so I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. I think best comparison for Luka is James Harden who didn’t really take care of his body, if he gets his **** together like Jokic he could be winning MVPs every year. It’s mostly just better lifestyle choices and commitment, nobody has taken care of their body better in NBA history than LeBron so it will be interesting to see if he can help motivate Luka the way Kobe use to with guys.

[FrieAaron]

I remember when Harden was MVP. Scoring at will, passing, crazy 3s

How that ended? But Luka will not last that long. His body is already in trouble.

And at 31 he got traded for 3 first round draft picks and 4 first round swaps.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

It’s almost like Adelson wanted to royally piss off Mark Cuban for some reason?

like I hate jumping to these conspiracy theories but it just boggles my mind that they would sign off on it. like even if it was all nico, the owners still have to sign off on it right?

[Sigra]

It looks like this trigered "Lakers trauma". People are so afraid that the league helps Lakers again.

And sure, this will return "the show" in LA. For next few years at least. But not the title.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I think the Mavs wanted to punish Luka for some reason. Because of the trade, Luka is no longer eligible for the Max extension. Huge financial loss for him.

I say this drawing from an old adage in detective type books: If you have eliminated every other option, the one remaining option must be the truth, no matter how unlikely that seems to be.

Thoughts?

Yep. Massive punishment sending him to get massive endorsements. He loses the supermax no matter where they trade him. So why not get the biggest haul for him?

but most players sign the max and then get traded.

[tedbrogen]

The NYT reported that the Mavs had contacted at least one other team, inferring that team rejected Doncic. I think there is a good chance it was the Bucks. Assuming that it was a one for one, who are the only players a team would turn down Luka for? I’m thinking only Giannis, Wemby, SGA, Ant, Tatum, Jokic. And only Wemby, Giannis, Tatum would have made sense to Dallas. And since Doncic doesn’t make any amount of sense for spurs- it had to have been either Boston or Bucks.

If I were to take a guess, my guess would be if they contacted just one team it would be Philly for Embiid. I don't think anyone believes Giannis is available for anyone, even Luka.

Then the Sixers are somehow dumber than the Mavs because Luka instantly resets everything for them. Gets them out of relying on Embiid’s knees while getting a 25 year old superstar in return. They are not getting a better return for Embiid anywhere.

[Sigra]

The Lakers should trade Lebron now. Whatever they can get.

[tedbrogen]

I think the Mavs wanted to punish Luka for some reason. Because of the trade, Luka is no longer eligible for the Max extension. Huge financial loss for him.

I say this drawing from an old adage in detective type books: If you have eliminated every other option, the one remaining option must be the truth, no matter how unlikely that seems to be.

Thoughts?

Yep. Massive punishment sending him to get massive endorsements. He loses the supermax no matter where they trade him. So why not get the biggest haul for him?

but most players sign the max and then get traded.

They did not take the biggest haul possible. No way to argue otherwise.

[JayMKE]

It’s frustrating how star players who will carry the franchise for the next decade keep falling into the Laker’s lap but LeBron is still 40 years old and that roster is unbalanced. LeBron and Luka are the definition of heliocentric so it’s going to interesting to see how they actually play together, this trade is more about the future after LeBron tho

[tedbrogen]

Mavs want to win this year. What better big is there? Jokic, Giannis, Wemby? Then what? i would say AD is next if you want to win now. If they are healthy you will see how good the Mavs are now.

But why didn’t they also get the Lakers 2031 1st? And pick swaps? And those two young white guys on the Lakers? Why did the Mavs send out a 2nd?

They traded a top five player without making him available to more than two teams and then didn’t extract all possible assets in the trade. And their GM actually made multiple great trades in the last couple years that helped get them to the finals. So all of a sudden he had some brain trauma and did this deal?

[Sigra]

Mavs want to win this year. What better big is there? Jokic, Giannis, Wemby? Then what? i would say AD is next if you want to win now. If they are healthy you will see how good the Mavs are now.

But why didn’t they also get the Lakers 2031 1st? And pick swaps? And those two young white guys on the Lakers? Why did the Mavs send out a 2nd?

They traded a top five player without making him available to more than two teams and then didn’t extract all possible assets in the trade. And their GM actually made multiple great trades in the last couple years that helped get them to the finals. So all of a sudden he had some brain trauma and did this deal?

If i want to win now I would rather have AD then Luka. I know that i am in minority (big time) here but I really like this trade for Mavs. We will see.

[Sigra]

So, Lebron for Butler. How about that?

[tedbrogen]

Let’s address some theories:
Mavs know something awful about Luka (say he murdered someone while sexually assaulting someone else while filming it) - that doesn’t mean he’s a distressed asset as no one else knows that, reports say this deal was in the works for a couple weeks, they did call one other team, and thus doesn’t explain not getting a bigger haul

Mavs really think AD makes them a contender - still doesn’t explain why they wouldn’t want all the Lakers assets to potentially improve their team even more if they really want to win

Mavs are so upset with Luka that they cut off their nose to spite their face and traded him to stop his ability to get the supermax - still doesn’t explain not getting the biggest haul

The Mavs traded him to the Lakers because they are so upset they wanted to make him pay higher taxes - then why not trade him to the Raptors?

[MiltownMadness]

Cancelled my league pass today, feel like a clown for following the league like I have. I'll prob tune in for the playoffs but I need to start being more productive with my time and not sink hours into a WWE type product

[tedbrogen]

Mavs want to win this year. What better big is there? Jokic, Giannis, Wemby? Then what? i would say AD is next if you want to win now. If they are healthy you will see how good the Mavs are now.

But why didn’t they also get the Lakers 2031 1st? And pick swaps? And those two young white guys on the Lakers? Why did the Mavs send out a 2nd?

They traded a top five player without making him available to more than two teams and then didn’t extract all possible assets in the trade. And their GM actually made multiple great trades in the last couple years that helped get them to the finals. So all of a sudden he had some brain trauma and did this deal?

If i want to win now I would rather have AD then Luka. I know that i am in minority (big time) here but I really like this trade for Mavs. We will see.

Multiple GMs and a whole bunch of players don’t agree. Not to mention, if they REALLY want to win now, why did they leave Reeves, Knecht, and the Lakers 2031 pick on the table? Even if you don’t love those assets, you could flip them for a win now piece.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Mavs now #1 favorite to win it all this year IMO.

But I am certificated Luka hater so....

Favored? No way

I think Luka is way overrated. He is terrible at defense and he is terrible for team offense. Selfish ego maniac.

Last year the Mavs won in spite of him. Lets remember they missed playoffs before that. Could you imagine prime Giannis missing playoffs? Or prime Jordan? Or prime Lebron? Or prime Jokic? Etc Last year they made incredible additions to frontcourt that made them great at defense and Kyrie was incredible in playoffs.

I dont really understand opinions today. This board is usually good at knowledge about PPG selfish guys who dont play defense.

Luka is fat white guy. He has 5 good years at most with that body. AD is MVP kind of impact when healthy.

This is incredible bold move by Mavs. Basketball aside Luka was franchise in terms of marketing and money. Making this move is revolution. Mavs are now instant my 2nd favorite team.

im with you.

incredibly talented selfish fat guys...its hard to figure out where the emphasis should be placed. the fat? the selfish? the talent?

this trade reminds me of when the sixers dealt barkley.

only difference is mavs got a pick and AD and ALOT better immediately than what the jeff Hornacek, andrew lang and tim perry package did for the sixers when theyd had enough

[ReddoverKobe]

Giannis on the Mavs would have been something.

Kyrie, Klay, PJ, Giannis, Gafford

[ReginaldDwight]

I think its pretty simple, the new mavs owners are cheap and didnt want to supermax Luka.

[skbucks1985]

Mavs want to win this year. What better big is there? Jokic, Giannis, Wemby? Then what? i would say AD is next if you want to win now. If they are healthy you will see how good the Mavs are now.

But why didn’t they also get the Lakers 2031 1st? And pick swaps? And those two young white guys on the Lakers? Why did the Mavs send out a 2nd?

They traded a top five player without making him available to more than two teams and then didn’t extract all possible assets in the trade. And their GM actually made multiple great trades in the last couple years that helped get them to the finals. So all of a sudden he had some brain trauma and did this deal?

If i want to win now I would rather have AD then Luka. I know that i am in minority (big time) here but I really like this trade for Mavs. We will see.

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I think there's a few reasons to think this trade is bad for the Mavs that are all getting jumbled together. Did the Mavs maximize value? Probably not, I don't know if it would've nixed the deal cap wise but assuming it didn't I think the Mavs probably could've gotten Dalton Knecht and they should've gotten the Lakers other available 1st round pick. There's the age component, Davis is about to turn 32 and while I think his game may age fairly well he has his own very spotty injury history.

But I think that's all relatively minor reasons for why this trade is viewed so negatively. I think the main reason is for most people Luka >>> AD, regardless of age. And you clearly feel very differently and I'm somewhere in the middle about that question