Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[Frank Nova]

Then trading knight and ersan and 31st to Lakers for there 7th.With that pick draft a smart or vonleh.
A starting 5 with smart,young,Giannis,Parker and Sanders doesn't seem that shabby.If anything its a great D lineup

If we were to bring in Thad and draft Parker still, the starting 5 would all slide up a position;

Smart/Giannis/Parker/Thad/Larry.

Thad is more of a err I hybrid forward that can guard out to the perimeter. He is an excellent defender like u said, extremely athletic, he gets out and can run the floor. He also can stretch the floor because he has 3pt range but that's an aspect of his game u want to keep under control.

I'm a huge fan of Thad, I would love to bring him in.

Your lineup is nice,imagine how much better if Giannis gets his jump shot down.It would be nice to have a Shooting guard who can actually shoot

It's the same lineup that u suggested but at different positions. I also think it's a very very solid SL.

If we had a 6'3" brick house PG and Parker was the next smallest player in the lineup then shooting wouldn't be much of an issue because Giannis has already shown he has 3pt range and same with Thad Young. No one in that lineup is a "sniper" by any means but there's still tons of spacing and that creates open looks and u don't have to be Ray Allen or even Kyle Korver to knock down open jumpers, u know? The length and athleticism from all 5 positions would be insane.

[Chapter29]

Did anyone post this on Embiid's Cav's visit?

Not sure its accurate or not of course.

That story got discredited yesterday. The guy who tweeted is a Cleveland sports talker named Rizzo. I believe the guy eventually deleted the tweet. Rizzo has apparently been railing on his show the past two weeks for the Cav's NOT to take Embiid. He even said on his show last week that he'd "jump off a bridge" if the Cav's drafted Embiid.

Some have speculated the tweet was a joke or was a clumsy plant by Dan Gilbert to try and cause some chaos and get the Sixers to trade with Cleveland to get Wiggins.

BTW--here is Rizzo's mug shot from his domestic violence arrest six-months ago.

Seemed a bit off to me. That's why I said not sure of its accuracy.

Thanks.

[msiris]

Here are some cool numbers on Wiggins for you who live by them. 49.3% of the time he settled for long 2s, because his handle is average at best. .524 PPP going left in ISO situations which was 30.4% of the time. He scored .9 PP on jump shots. 0.68 AST/TO ratio, which proves that he does not create much for others. Just red flags if you ask me.

[Frank Nova]

Then trading knight and ersan and 31st to Lakers for there 7th.With that pick draft a smart or vonleh.
A starting 5 with smart,young,Giannis,Parker and Sanders doesn't seem that shabby.If anything its a great D lineup

If we were to bring in Thad and draft Parker still, the starting 5 would all slide up a position;

Smart/Giannis/Parker/Thad/Larry.

Thad is more of a hybrid forward that can guard out to the perimeter. He is an excellent defender like u said, extremely athletic, he gets out and can run the floor. He also can stretch the floor because he has 3pt range but that's an aspect of his game u want to keep under control.

I'm a huge fan of Thad, I would love to bring him in.

I still believe that Thad is more in play in a package with 10 to see if we can get 7 from LAL (as Chad Ford suggested in his chat this week) to take Vonleh/Gordon/Randle...which is why all of this talk of trading 3 and 10 to move up to 2 makes ZERO sense. However, I think that it would probably be more likely that Hinkie would trade 3 and Thad to get to 2. To Hinkie, that 10 pick has insane value...and theree is NOTHING to suggest that he will just give it away to move up from 3 to 2.

I can provide links to Hinkie's comments where he tals about the value of 10 as a PLAYER, if the board wants.

I don't believe for 1 second that Philly will or even would consider trading both lotto picks to move up, that's why a play for Thad and 3 for 2 was the given scenario. If we think we can get our guy at 3 while adding Thad then it's a no brainer for MKE. Philly would have to be head over heels in love with "x player" to even consider it IMO and I just don't believe that'll be the case.

No one is going to convince me personally that any of Cleveland Milwaukee Philly have narrowed down their selection already and decided who is the most desired target. It's just so close between all 3 that I won't be surprised if everyone just sits on their hands and plays the cards that are dealt and hopes for the best.

It's like; why would u give up a player like Thad Young just to guarantee u got Wiggins over Parker or vice versa? Why wouldn't any smart team rather just keep a player like Young and take the 1 that's sitting on the board. I'd think that Thad and Parker makes ur team better than Wiggins with no Thad. I'm all for quality over quantity at this point but if ur Philly u kind of already have the best of both worlds in quality and quantity in this situation so why risk blowing the opportunity?

If Philly likes Exum more than MCW then the only realistic Philly trade would be MCW and 10 to Orlando for 4th pick. Orlando can add MCW as the PG of the future and have 10 and 12 and Philly gets 3 and 4 to take Wiggins/Parker at 3 and Exum at 4. That to me is a win win for both teams. Any trade with Philly and MKE seems to be a win for only MKE IMO. I mean I'm a Bucks fan and could care less about Philly making a bad decision especially if it favors us, but I'm also trying to stay realistic.

And fwiw, Exum Wiggins Thad Nerlens is a core that u can ask probably any team in the league and they'd be extremely jealous. Plus MCW Oladipo Tobias Vucevic 10 and 12 would be close as well. That's why Philly and Orlando seem like the most realistic trade partners with what they have to offer eachother and how bright each of their teams futures would be.

[msiris]

Bucks just need to play it cool and say they love both Parker and Wiggins. Keep Philly wondering and make them panic and give up that 10th pick.

[On_Wisconsin]

If the Bucks had #2 and #10, I would give that up for Embiid.

Anyway, there has been a lot of smoke around the rumor that Kristaps has a promise from OKC that I believe there is a fire there. He's a guy I'd definitely look into if we got another late lotto pick.

I'd take him at 8 if we took Wiggins/Embiid and Smart was off the board

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[MiltownHawkeye]

Here are some cool numbers on Wiggins for you who live by them. 49.3% of the time he settled for long 2s, because his handle is average at best. .524 PPP going left in ISO situations which was 30.4% of the time. He scored .9 PP on jump shots. 0.68 AST/TO ratio, which proves that he does not create much for others. Just red flags if you ask me.

If Wiggins' 0.68 AST/TO is a red flag then Parker's 0.51 AST/TO is a red mural.

[Wooderson]

All of this arguing over who's the 3rd best prospect when we have the 2nd pick. Come on guys.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Watching both Exum and Smart highlights, it's hard for me to say that Exum is definitely a better prospect. What type of performance would Smart put up against 17 year old Australian kids?

Point guards are so hard to scout. Everybody wanted Marvin Williams who wasn't a college starter over Chris Paul, just as an example of how hard it is to know what you've got in a PG. I wouldn't want either guard in the top 3, but would be ecstatic to pick up either through other means.

[Wise1]

I for one have Smart over Exum. I have him over Wiggins as well for that matter. If I'm Philly, it's Smart or Exum for me.

[giraldo5]

I for one have Smart over Exum. I have him over Wiggins as well for that matter. If I'm Philly, it's Smart or Exum for me.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400498367

[LUKE23]

Smart over Wiggins is crazy.

[msiris]

Here are some cool numbers on Wiggins for you who live by them. 49.3% of the time he settled for long 2s, because his handle is average at best. .524 PPP going left in ISO situations which was 30.4% of the time. He scored .9 PP on jump shots. 0.68 AST/TO ratio, which proves that he does not create much for others. Just red flags if you ask me.

If Wiggins' 0.68 AST/TO is a red flag then Parker's 0.51 AST/TO is a red mural.

But I am not saying Parker is a way better prospect either. In HS Parker had a way better ratio as pointed out before. But that is HS. If people think that either of these guys are franchise guys then most will be disappointed. Way too many flaws in both games. A lot for both overcome. Good luck in trying to determine who will be a better pro.

[bebopdeluxe]

We don't believe that the Sixers have a hard-on for Wiggins.

All we know is that for the last three years, scouts, GM and the media have been proclaiming this the "Wiggins draft" For that reason, he's been viewed as a transcendent talent and the clear #1 overall pick, up until about six-months ago when Joel Embiid came on the scene and Jabari started doing some "moves" that got people all jizzed up.

The bottom line is the Sixers are going to get a great prospect in Jabari with pick #3.

Personally, I would take Exum over Wiggins...I am just REALLY leery of taking a wing guy who does not have a quality handle. I think that Exum could be one of the best guys out ofmthis draft, and the only reason he is not being talked about more is because of his lack of playing time this past year. Under the old rules, as a high school kid i think he would have WAY more buzz attached to him.

My dream scenario is what I mentioned...Embiid and Wiggins are gone...we take Parker...ORL takes Smart...and we get 5 and 23 from UTA for Parker and take Exum (with Hinkie doing his mad scientist thing with 23 and 32 to move up into the late teens to pick up another potential impact guy). Like I have been saying, Hinkie is an asset-gatherer...which is why trading 3 and 10 to move up one slot goes TOTALLY against the way he operates.

So you get Exum and a random guy at #10 over Wiggins? In a draft that is a consensus top 3 draft.

Not to mention that Exum wants to play PG and MCW would either have to be moved or you are forcing Exum to play the SG.

Yeah...Exum is a scrub...who would consider him as a top-3 pick?

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... avs-76ers/

Fortunately, Sam Hinkie isn't going to listen to the opinion of a bunch of GM-wannabes on an internet forum...he is going to rely on his scoutsand his YEARS of experience to decide how to best use his valuable resources in this draft. If he thinks that Exum is going to be a high-impact player (and with Brett Brown's Australia connections, the Sixers should arguably have as good a call on the kid as anyone), then I am on board...and based on the link i just posted (believe it or not if you will), other NBA observers do not think taking Exum at 3 - or even 2 - is not that crazy an idea...whether you like itmor not.

[msiris]

Exum has a chance of being just as good of any pick in the draft just because of his size and his athletic ability.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Personally, I would take Exum over Wiggins...I am just REALLY leery of taking a wing guy who does not have a quality handle. I think that Exum could be one of the best guys out ofmthis draft, and the only reason he is not being talked about more is because of his lack of playing time this past year. Under the old rules, as a high school kid i think he would have WAY more buzz attached to him.

My dream scenario is what I mentioned...Embiid and Wiggins are gone...we take Parker...ORL takes Smart...and we get 5 and 23 from UTA for Parker and take Exum (with Hinkie doing his mad scientist thing with 23 and 32 to move up into the late teens to pick up another potential impact guy). Like I have been saying, Hinkie is an asset-gatherer...which is why trading 3 and 10 to move up one slot goes TOTALLY against the way he operates.

So you get Exum and a random guy at #10 over Wiggins? In a draft that is a consensus top 3 draft.

Not to mention that Exum wants to play PG and MCW would either have to be moved or you are forcing Exum to play the SG.

Yeah...Exum is a scrub...who would consider him as a top-3 pick?

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... avs-76ers/

Fortunately, Sam Hinkie isn't going to listen to the opinion of a bunch of GM-wannabes on an internet forum...he is going to rely on his scoutsand his YEARS of experience to decide how to best use his valuable resources in this draft. If he thinks that Exum is going to be a high-impact player (and with Brett Brown's Australia connections, the Sixers should arguably have as good a call on the kid as anyone), then I am on board...and based on the link i just posted (believe it or not if you will), other NBA observers do not think taking Exum at 3 - or even 2 - is not that crazy an idea...whether you like itmor not.

What are you trying to accomplish in this thread?

[Mr Anonymous]

What are you trying to accomplish in this thread?

It's almost as though he's convinced that if he gets us to believe that there's no way Philly would use #10 to move up, then it will diminish the real life chances of it happening. I wouldn't even say it's likely Philly does it, but it surely can't be ruled out. He should go beboppin and scattin back to the Philly board (where he'll get a much more receptive audience) and sell it's impossibility to them.

[Bucks7rules]

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[bebopdeluxe]

What are you trying to accomplish in this thread?

It's almost as though he's convinced that if he gets us to believe that there's no way Philly would use #10 to move up, then it will diminish the real life chances of it happening. I wouldn't even say it's likely Philly does it, but it surely can't be ruled out. He should go beboppin and scattin back to the Philly board (where he'll get a much more receptive audience) and sell it's impossibility to them.

Yes - yes it can be ruled out.

See you guys on the 27th...when we can discuss who you guys picked with our #10 pick.

[Zeezprah]

I can provide links to Hinkie's comments where he tals about the value of 10 as a PLAYER, if the board wants.

At the end of the day, if you believe Wiggins to be a transcendent talent over Jabari, you are parting with that #10 pick to get him, regardless of what smokescreen you might be saying publicly.

As has been disussed, this isn't the NFL draft where more picks have great value. The NBA is all about the picks in the top 1, 2 or 3 and in many years only about the top 1. When the Bucks got shafted in the lottery in 2007 and got pushed down from pick 3 to pick 6, they offered #6 (Yi), Charlie V. (who had some value back then) and a future first to Atlanta for pick #3 so they could take Horford. Atlanta rejected them. And we all know how Yi (who was damn hyped in his own right back then) v. Horford turned out. Moving up one slot in the NBA draft is sometimes impossible even if you offer the other team a King's ransom.

None of us have any idea where the Sixers rank Jabari v. Wiggins. Maybe they see them as equal, in which case the discussion is moot.

this is what cracks me up about those 76er rumors

"oh we're obsessed with wiggins so much, wiggins, wiggins, wiggins" yet it's out of the question to part with pick #10?

i realize he might fall to #3, but you don't take that risk. and from a team that has become the most shameless tanking team in nba history, i don't know why they wouldn't be giddy they'd blow again next year.

that's why i believe the rumors are 100% bs, i could easily see them having wiggins anywhere between 1-3 on their board.

the funny part is, if wiggins falls to 3, you know fran's gonna say this on draft night:

"and phildelphia gets their guy, he's been #1 on their board all year. they were desperately trying to trade up for him, but didn't want to give up #10. sam hinkie stood firm, and wound up with his guy"