Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[MrPerfect1]

I have mixed opinions on that Parker video:

PRO: May be the most likely to want to commit to MIL long term which is worth considering. Like the fact he acknowledges the need to develop moves and counter moves.

CON: A little concerning he talks about needing to develop an "Old Man's Game." Yes, if done well can be very effective, but an odd comment for a 19 year old not even in his athletic prime to make. Is he that concerned about not being athletic enough O_o

[Bucks7rules]

if it doesn't cost much, trade up for Embiid.

[drew881]

I have mixed opinions on that Parker video:

PRO: May be the most likely to want to commit to MIL long term which is worth considering. Like the fact he acknowledges the need to develop moves and counter moves.

CON: A little concerning he talks about needing to develop an "Old Man's Game." Yes, if done well can be very effective, but an odd comment for a 19 year old not even in his athletic prime to make. Is he that concerned about not being athletic enough O_o

This is what I posted a couple pages back about his comments on having a face-up game. He won't be strong enough to back guys down and post them up at the PF level. I wonder if the old man comment was just a joke toward Grant Hill.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Thanks for posting those spilts. The numbers are close the final 25 games. parkers the better rebounder and Wiggins shot a little better.

How do you think parker projects as a 3 point shooter in the pros? I kind of like him and giannis as a combo but it would really help if one or both can develop a 3pt shot.

I prefer Wiggins but won't be upset if they go parker.

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[MrPerfect1]

I have mixed opinions on that Parker video:

PRO: May be the most likely to want to commit to MIL long term which is worth considering. Like the fact he acknowledges the need to develop moves and counter moves.

CON: A little concerning he talks about needing to develop an "Old Man's Game." Yes, if done well can be very effective, but an odd comment for a 19 year old not even in his athletic prime to make. Is he that concerned about not being athletic enough O_o

This is what I posted a couple pages back about his comments on having a face-up game. He won't be strong enough to back guys down and post them up at the PF level. I wonder if the old man comment was just a joke toward Grant Hill.

I took the comment as him trying to emmulate Paul Pierce since I have heard Pierce's game described in that way

[blazza18]

I don't really see how him saying wanting to develop an "old mans game" and adding it to his skillset is a bad thing at all. He'll need to bring it into his game to have a better advantage of smaller matchups. LeBron does it now, as does Melo, KD needs to improve on that area in his game.

[mattg]

I don't really see how him saying wanting to develop an "old mans game" and adding it to his skillset is a bad thing at all. He'll need to bring it into his game to have a better advantage of smaller matchups. LeBron does it now, as does Melo, KD needs to improve on that area in his game.

Old man game is just smart, simple, yet effective play, maybe a little cleverness. Paul pierce's old man game is just nonstop head, pass, and pump fakes. Nothing crazy, but guys still leave their feet or get off balance often enough for PP to take advantage and leave you wondering why the **** the defender would bite on that fake pierce does every single time.

I agree that there's nothing wrong with Parker wanting to improve in that facet too. It would indicate that he is at least mindful of being economical and efficient with his touches.

[bigkurty]

Can any of you stat guys easily list out the stats for Wiggins and for Parker only in their last ten games? I.e was one guy ascending over his season averages more than the other?

Here's some other splits as well.

Last 10 games:
Wiggins 19.5 PPG
Parker 18.7 PPG
Wiggins 45.9% FG%
Parker 46.2% FG%
Wiggins 32.5% 3Pt%
Parker 33.3% 3Pt%
Wiggins 7 FTA/G
Parker 6.5 FTA/G
Wiggins 5.9 RPG
Parker 9.4 RPG
Wiggins 1.1 APG
Parker 1.1 APG
Wiggins 2.9 TOV/G
Parker 2.8 TOV/G

Games 14-25 (start of conference play):
Wiggins: 16.4 PPG
Parker: 17.1 PPG
Wiggins 43.3% FG%
Parker 41.7% FG%
Wiggins 39% 3Pt%
Parker 26.8% 3Pt%
Wiggins 6.7 FTA/G
Parker 6.4 FTA/G
Wiggins 6.3 RPG
Parker 9 RPG
Wiggins 2.1 APG
Parker .67 APG
Wiggins 2.3 TOV/G
Parker 1.9 TOV/G


First 13 games:
Wiggins 15.8 PPG
Parker 23 PPG
Wiggins 43.2% FG%
Parker 52.3% FG%
Wiggins 31.1% 3Pt%
Parker 45.4% 3Pt%
Wiggins 5.9 FTA/G
Parker 5.5 FTA/G
Wiggins 5.4 RPG
Parker 8 RPG
Wiggins 1.4 APG
Parker 1.8 APG
Wiggins 1.8 TOV/G
Parker 2.3 TOV/G

I looked at this and tried to analyze it every which way for about 15 minutes and the only conclusion I could come to is that they will both be great players. Jabari is going to be a hell of a rebounder too.

[El Pooch Grande]

Was this Jabari Parker feature w/Grant Hill from earlier today already posted?

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_t ... arker.nba/

The only part that scares me about passing on Jabari is how grounded this guy is. It is hard to bet against guys like this, and his intangibles are pretty much everything the Bucks and this City have needed since Moncrief.

Thanks for posting PP. Great interview and it shows exactly what I've been trying to tell you all since November: That of the "Big 4," Jabari Parker has the best intangibles.

He is humble, likable, a great teammate, a leader, wants to improve, wants to win, wants to be great, is a student of the game, has a high basketball IQ, is coachable, has tremendous character, is from the Midwest and has indicated he would like to play here in Milwaukee. Mix all of these factors together and you have the preverbal "It" factor just being broadcast in big bright lights for all of us to see.

I sincerely hope if you are anti-Parker on this board, it is because you are worried about his game, because 100% of us should be able to agree on his intangibles.


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[breakchains]

Thanks for posting those spilts. The numbers are close the final 25 games. parkers the better rebounder and Wiggins shot a little better.

How do you think parker projects as a 3 point shooter in the pros? I kind of like him and giannis as a combo but it would really help if one or both can develop a 3pt shot.

I prefer Wiggins but won't be upset if they go parker.

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I think he will be a good to very good 3 pt shooter. I think the same for Wiggins.

[SpursNBucks]

I have mixed opinions on that Parker video:

PRO: May be the most likely to want to commit to MIL long term which is worth considering. Like the fact he acknowledges the need to develop moves and counter moves.

CON: A little concerning he talks about needing to develop an "Old Man's Game." Yes, if done well can be very effective, but an odd comment for a 19 year old not even in his athletic prime to make. Is he that concerned about not being athletic enough O_o

This is what I posted a couple pages back about his comments on having a face-up game. He won't be strong enough to back guys down and post them up at the PF level. I wonder if the old man comment was just a joke toward Grant Hill.

That's what that was. Geez some of you are so frickin picky. No wonder Exum's agent told him not to say anything to the press. It's like ya' all looking for one of those gotcha moments. RELAX!

[Chapter29]

Was this Jabari Parker feature w/Grant Hill from earlier today already posted?

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_t ... arker.nba/

The only part that scares me about passing on Jabari is how grounded this guy is. It is hard to bet against guys like this, and his intangibles are pretty much everything the Bucks and this City have needed since Moncrief.

Thanks for posting PP. Great interview and it shows exactly what I've been trying to tell you all since November: That of the "Big 4," Jabari Parker has the best intangibles.

He is humble, likable, a great teammate, a leader, wants to improve, wants to win, wants to be great, is a student of the game, has a high basketball IQ, is coachable, has tremendous character, is from the Midwest and has indicated he would like to play here in Milwaukee. Mix all of these factors together and you have the preverbal "It" factor just being broadcast in big bright lights for all of us to see.

I sincerely hope if you are anti-Parker on this board, it is because you are worried about his game, because 100% of us should be able to agree on his intangibles.


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I think one thing that has to be kept into perspective is that we are selecting #2 overall in a very strong draft.

IMO Parker has the highest character of the top picks. That means a lot.

My fear is his somewhat limited athleticism and how it may impact him defensively. If the guy was quicker and was a 100% SF in this league I would think differently about him.

[buckboy]

This draft needs to get here. With a few exceptions this thread is all agenda - driven crap.

we need to get our guy and all get behind him.

[AussieBuck]

When did Wiggins say he'd prefer to play in Philly ? Did this happen on some alternate universe that I don't know about ?

Same universe where Exum will force his way to the Lakers, Saric will only play for the Lakers or Celtics and Wiggins will be playing for Toronto once his rookie deal is up.

[ReasonablySober]

Re: Parker. What concerns me is how he played against better competition. From Dean on Draft:

The other disconcerting trend is that Jabari Parker was significantly more efficient against bad defenses. While he is a good shooter for a freshman and has solid perimeter skills, he also operated quite a bit in the low post as he often played center for Duke. His best performance of the season came against Boston College’s swiss cheese defense, as they start bigs listed at 6’8 219 and 6’7 207. They have the #298 defense and are 238th in opponent 2p%. Naturally Jabari bullied them to kingdom come, as he finished with 29 points, 16 rebounds, and 12/17 FG in a performance that included 6 dunks. It was an entertaining show to be sure, but at the same time it was not against competition that remotely simulates NBA defense. If you break up his performance to teams that are top 100 in opposing 2p% and played a top 150 schedule (essentially weeding out Vermont who was impenetrable by pitiful America East offenses), here are how his per 40 minutes stats look:

opponent Pts FGA eFG 2PA 2p% FTA AST TOV
top 100 22.5 19.4 42.4% 14.8 41.1% 7.6 1.1 3.2
not top 100 27.1 17.8 59.4% 14.5 58.7% 8.3 1.9 2.9

Note that the sample includes 500 minutes vs. good defenses and 574 vs. bad ones. Granted, we are taking a small sample and breaking it up into two smaller samples, and one of his best performances barely misses the cutoff as UNC only has the #102 2p% defense in the country. But even if you move his two UNC games in the tough sample, he still only musters a 44.2% eFG as compared to 59.6% in the weak sample. And the fact that the performance drop off is largely driven by a drop off 2 point efficiency makes it less likely to be largely due to fluke.

The bottom line is that Jabari bullied bad teams and he bullied them hard. This inflates his stats in a way that is not necessarily predictive of NBA performance. He will still be an issue for smaller matchups in the pros, but they will become less common and there will almost always be a bigger help defender on the floor. He still needs to develop his decision making and perimeter skills significantly to become an efficient scorer against NBA defenses, because his bullying did not work so well against tougher NCAA opposition.

[Wise1]

This is the reason why I threw out Jabari's game against Boston College. I've said that here before multiple times. BC had NO CHANCE of stopping him because they just weren't physically equipped to do so. By the same token, I also discredited the 6-9 uber athletic guy's performance against a trio of 6'2 guards that had no chance of stopping him or rocking his confidence. The only real positive that I took from both of those games is that both prospects took advantage of their mismatches.

[paulpressey25]

I put value in those stats that Baddy put up regarding the last ten games. Many times talented young guys don't start putting things together until the second half of their rookie (or frosh) season. I want to see whose learning curve is ascending, as those type of guys then many times really breakout the next year.

For those not watching Wiggins closely, his offensive game started to really improve the final ten. Part of that was Embiid being out, but part of it was Wiggins gaining confidence. My fear on us passing on Wiggins is that he's going to be the type of guy in the pros who does eventually average 25ppg, and that frankly by seasons end last year, he WAS Jabari's equal on offense.

[Wise1]

No he wasn't. You can't look at basketball strictly by numbers. Jabari always had guys pounding and collapsing on him in the post on the offensive end while also being responsible for the bulk of the team's rebounding. It's MUCH easier to get off on iso's and perimeter jumpers when you're single manned and you don't have big, strong guys pounding on you.

[paulpressey25]

Wise...that's the problem with Jabari. He may not be able to play in the post in the pros as a tweener. He played PF/C for so much time at Duke.

[Wooderson]

No he wasn't. You can't look at basketball strictly by numbers. Jabari always had guys pounding and collapsing on him in the post on the offensive end while also being responsible for the bulk of the team's rebounding. It's MUCH easier to get off on iso's and perimeter jumpers when you're single manned and you don't have big, strong guys pounding on you.

If he really drew that much attention shouldn't it be troubling that he generated so little offense for others, especially given the great shooting around him?