#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[raferfenix]

Weird that the Rockets are not pursuing Gasol.

I know they've been connected to Josh Smith in rumors, but he doesn't seem like a Morey guy to me at all.

More likely in y mind would be if the Hawks are indeed rebuilding, and after years of not finding anyone who valued Smith enough to trade while he was squawking about wanting out, they are now leaking things to try to up what they could get in return.

[ampd]

I really like this move. Hammond can now draft BPA and still 'win now'. Skiles gets his shot blocking C. We ditch Brockman. Trading 3 end of the bench players amd moving down 2 spots in the late lotto to get a legitimate starting C who can also be flipped at the deadline as a valuable expiring is a really good move.

[Newz]

I have to seriously question anyone who says Leuer is a better prospect than Sanders.

Well, considering that Leuer played better than Sanders did last season, I'm not sure what's flipping your wig about that assertion. Plus, Leuer is even a year younger than Sanders.

[xTitan]

As a fanbase i think we are all on the same page that the organization is goin for "win now".

Would you be opposed to

Gooden/Beno

For

Pau gasol

Jennings/Monta
Monta/Dunleavy/Ross
LRMAM/Harris
Gasol/Udoh
Dalembert/Sanders

Sanders and Udoh are not starters, but good backups

LOL....think the Lakers would be opposed to it....

[RiotPunch]

The last few years he has only averaged 23 minutes a game. I just dont see him getting more minutes or even being a starter.

He may not be able to give you starter's minutes night in and night out, but he will be our starting center nest year.

Another thing is that his biggest drawback is that he has a very low basketball IQ. People bitch about Drew. Wait till you see this guy. People think this guy will make a big difference and I think that will not be the case.

And yet all of his player efficiency statistics are very good for a center. He's not the most BBIQ savvy guy in the world, but he's not an idiot. I think you are a little off base there.

We can agree to disagree here, but Dalembert is more effective on the court than you're giving him credit for, imo. Positive impact center that puts to bed the possibilities of signing Kaman and/or drafting Zeller/Leonard. (hopefully, that is)

[step3profit]

Leuer really isnt anything special. I'm guessing everyone flipped **** about him because he played for Wisconsin.

I think it's a bit of that, but more than he looked pretty polished offensively in a couple early games. When your second round pick scores 14 points in a game less than a month into his rookie season with no training camp to speak of, you become hopeful. Especially for a fanbase starved of anything to hope for...


He should be a decent 8 point guy for some team for quite a while.

[linguini8]

I like the trade. Not sure why so many are worried about Sanders not playing anymore. Like someone stated - Dalembert only played 22mpg last season. He's a veteran, experienced, legit 5 man, on a small expiring contract, who will help us win now and also help us for the future by mentoring Sanders this season. There will still be around 25 minutes available for Sanders at C. Dalembert will only help his development.

Moving from 12 to 14 isn't a big loss.

[msiris]

I can remember lots of people going crazy when we picked up Jackson. Look what happened there? So we got another aging vet in the twilight of his playing days and the Bucks are saved. The only good thing is that we only dropped two spots instead 12 like last year.

[JoeHova]

Leuer really isnt anything special. I'm guessing everyone flipped **** about him because he played for Wisconsin.

I liked Leuer because I thought he could become a decent bench big. He has some nice offensive skills.

But man, was that guy abysmal on the glass and defensively. He made Drew Gooden look good in those areas.

The fact that Leuer went to UW is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is that he has some NBA skills and is young and cheap. And if he's so abysmal on the glass, what does that say about Udoh, who is even worse, or Sanders, who rebounded at the same rate as Leuer during their respective rookie seasons?

[xTitan]

What would be awesome is if Dalembert was brought into mentor Meyers Leonard for a year, I could really get on that boat......stuttering John is pure genius.

[jr lucosa]

I amended that, would love to get Ross but don't believe he is there. I don't like Terrence Jones, just a guy IMO

I agree on both counts.

I would rather have Barton, PJ III, Harkless or Royce White than T Jones.

[raferfenix]

If the Rockets are not linked to Gasol, and we are making win now moves, indeed we could be looking at Gasol.

Assume this board doesn't want it, but if the Bucks are focused resolutely on winning now as usual, we might see paying Gasol more for a few years as a better investment than giving Ersan a longer and riskier contract.

And we would probably have to deal Gooden to make it work contract wise. So at least there would be that.

[jr lucosa]

I am very happy Brockman is off the team.

This.

When I heard what we gave up, first thing I said was "Brockman is gone, yes!"

[xTitan]

I would take Harkless over T. Jones in a second.

[Bucksfans1and2]

I have to seriously question anyone who says Leuer is a better prospect than Sanders.

Well, considering that Leuer played better than Sanders did last season, I'm not sure what's flipping your wig about that assertion. Plus, Leuer is even a year younger than Sanders.

How??

[SheedsWeed]

If the Rockets are not linked to Gasol, and we are making win now moves, indeed we could be looking at Gasol.

Assume this board doesn't want it, but if the Bucks are focused resolutely on winning now as usual, we might see paying Gasol more for a few years as a better investment than giving Ersan a longer and riskier contract.

And we would probably have to deal Gooden to make it work contract wise. So at least there would be that.

I could see the Lakers wanting Brandon + a throw in.

Obviously wouldn't do it.

[Frank Nova]

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Alright. Adjusted stats are real numbers, though. It shows you what he is on pace for production-wise if he were on the floor that long. You're right, he won't give you 35 mins a night, he has never done that in his career, but he can certainly give you 25-30 mins a night. That still leaves you with nearly a double-double average with 2+ blocks per game.

Still though, that stats line is ridiculously good for a center playing only 22 minutes, so I'm not sure what your argument is?

My point being I think his conditioning is the problem. The last few years he has only averaged 23 minutes a game. I just dont see him getting more minutes or even being a starter. Another thing is that his biggest drawback is that he has a very low basketball IQ. People bitch about Drew. Wait till you see this guy. People think this guy will make a big difference and I think that will not be the case.

Lol ur arguing about a 10yr vets bball iq, really? Dalembert found his niche in the league several years ago and has been very effective at it. Ive never seen Daly shoot contested 3s, turn around fade aways from 18 ft, try and beat his man off the dribble from the 3 point line etc etc. and I've never seen Gooden protect the paint/rim, anchor a defense or score efficiently. Sounds like ur just hating, just to be a hater.

[JoeHova]

:lol:

You know, I've often said that nothing is more helpful in a discussion than a laughing emoticon.

[msiris]

My point being I think his conditioning is the problem.

Thats my concern. He looked fat last year. Still like the trade. Just hope he doesn't get any fatter.

Are he and Jackson friends? If so we are so screwed.

[Nuntius]

It's a good move for the Bucks as well. The only bad thing is that you parted with Jon Leuer who will be a good player. But Dalembert is a huge upgrade and you desperately needed a C.