Woelfel on WSSP: Ellis not interested re Bucks extension

[0BobLobLaw0]

Marc stein on twitter said the bucks are unlikely to extend Jennings. no Jennings or Ellis next season? be Milwaukee.

[blkout]

I think all-round Ersan is the best given Ellis/Jennings don't do much else other than score at poor efficiency but saying someone is the best player for the Bucks is like saying someone is the best member of the Klan, they're all bad.

[mattg]

Jennings is our best player.

[-Jragon-]

Do you not see any faults in that list? Like Gooden being higher than Udoh? I didn't watch every game but I don't remember Ellis being the clear cut 1st option by any means last season.

When they were both Bucks, Jennings was clearly better / the 1st option. Could make an argument for Ersan as our best player, although I'm not sure I'm buying it.

There is a mind factor to basketball. If we remember last year, Jennings had some really nice games in the first half but then became a pouty baby when some real defense was applied to him just like he does every year / add Bogut's pube games to that and you have a snapshot of why we have been so mediocre. Ellis IS the best player easily on a team full of garbage type, soft minded, or one dimentional players (unless Henson or Harris develop).

[-Jragon-]

btw... lol at : Brandon Jennings Picking Up Pieces Of Nash's Game

Those two names should never be in the same sentence again unless Jennings is carrying Nash's jock strap. stfu wiretap

[SkilesTheLimit]

Ilyasova was the best Bucks player last year and thus goes into this season as the clear #1.

Monta and Jennings are about even as a player IMO at this stage. Jennings needs to close 2012-13 as the best player or he doesn't deserve to be extended. It's about time to show dramatic improvement from him. He talked a good game this off-season about playoffs, getting better, etc. Let's see it on the floor now.

....and don't sulk when you don't make the all-star team and blow 5 games for us circa last season. Hopefully he's grown up a little bit.

[Baddy Chuck]

Do you not see any faults in that list? Like Gooden being higher than Udoh? I didn't watch every game but I don't remember Ellis being the clear cut 1st option by any means last season.

When they were both Bucks, Jennings was clearly better / the 1st option. Could make an argument for Ersan as our best player, although I'm not sure I'm buying it.

There is a mind factor to basketball. If we remember last year, Jennings had some really nice games in the first half but then became a pouty baby when some real defense was applied to him just like he does every year / add Bogut's pube games to that and you have a snapshot of why we have been so mediocre. Ellis IS the best player easily on a team full of garbage type, soft minded, or one dimentional players (unless Henson or Harris develop).

So what was Monta's "mind factor" for sucking it up after the trade?

[LUKE23]

Good read from the boys at BrewHoop:

http://www.brewhoop.com/2012/10/22/3536 ... -extension

What we know about a possible Ellis opt-out: It makes perfect sense for Ellis to refuse an extension and decline his player option for '13-14. Any extension would necessarily be tied to the terms of his current deal -- the CBA imposes limits on escalating salaries to avoid severe back-/front-loading -- so with Ellis entering his prime (he turns 27 on Oct. 26), this is probably his last chance to test the market and get a fat contract.

Aging curves for shooting guards typically peg 28 as the prime, but Monta isn't much of an outside shooter and his reliance on elite athleticism might make for a tougher slide and an earlier-than-normal prime stretch. That means if he were to extend his deal with the Bucks, it's possible (probable?) he wouldn't find offers with eight-figure annual salaries on the other side of that deal. Why not use his leverage to get to the open market now -- there's always one desperate NBA general manager willing to overpay for a scorer. Could it still be the Bucks? Sure. Remember how the John Salmons situation went down?

Completely agree with the comments regarding Ellis' production slipping faster than normal due to the way he plays, which is one of several reasons why I'm fully against giving him a long-term extension. The biggest thing for me is finding out what his trade value is. Admittedly, it's probably higher if he opts in for next season, but if he does that I'm guessing we keep him for next year and I'd rather be using that $11M on something else. Either way, we need to stay away from extending him. Small guards without a great outside shot that rely almost exclusively on explosiveness do not age well. Especially ones with high mileage already in terms of minutes.

[Treebeard]

What other players offer historic comparsions in age, size, and style of play, going into free agency?

[LUKE23]

Not a perfect comparison, but one that comes to mind is Steve Francis.

[Treebeard]

Not a perfect comparison, but one that comes to mind is Steve Francis.

Francis a good comparison. I was trying to think of other under-sized 2 guards, who got larger contracts at that stage of their careers. Ben Gordon & Jason Terry both came to mind, but those guys can shoot threes, so they have been able to adapt (to some extent) to inevitible decline in athletic skill.

[paulpressey25]

Steve Francis is a good comparable.

Yeah, I really want the guy traded now. Just clear him out and get your 75 cents on the dollar with a bigger wing before the season starts.

[Thunder Muscle]

This is where the Bucks are in a tough spot, and I guess they put themselves in it. If Monta plays well, the team is probably winning and it will make it difficult to trade him. If he is not playing well the team is probably losing and his value goes down, and Hammond isn't going to make a move for the future if the team is losing b/c his job is probably in serious jeopardy. If he was going to be dealt, it should've been this past offseason. And if he walks, the team can spin the 'salary cap relief' angle. So I really see no way he is traded.

[emunney]

Wonder what we could get from the Knicks.

[Badgerlander]

I think Dallas is probably the easiest trade partner right now as long as we are willing to take back Marion. Roddy+Crowder would be nice but they probably wouldn't part with Crowder.

[Nebula1]

I think Dallas is probably the easiest trade partner right now as long as we are willing to take back Marion. Roddy+Crowder would be nice but they probably wouldn't part with Crowder.

They have OJ Mayo... I don't think that will work.

The Clippers could use him and move Billups to reserve or perhaps Memphis since they are trying to groom Josh Selby and could use Ellis' scoring punch.

Maybe Phoenix would take a look. Maybe the Knicks.

[raferfenix]

Steve Francis is a frightening comparison.

But hopefully that means we also could find an Isiah Thomas-like GM who is infatuated with him...

[mattg]

Francis fell off more so because he checked out mentally than lost his physical ability. Once he stopped caring then his lack of skill development and desire to stay in shape caused his game to fall off a cliff. So while there are some similarities between him and Ellis, I don't know that I'd be worried about Ellis just turning into a scrub because he loses all his athleticism in the next 2 years or something.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Ilyasova was the best Bucks player last year and thus goes into this season as the clear #1.

Monta and Jennings are about even as a player IMO at this stage. Jennings needs to close 2012-13 as the best player or he doesn't deserve to be extended. It's about time to show dramatic improvement from him. He talked a good game this off-season about playoffs, getting better, etc. Let's see it on the floor now.

....and don't sulk when you don't make the all-star team and blow 5 games for us circa last season. Hopefully he's grown up a little bit.

Ilyasova is not the Bucks best player last year...that just ridiculous. Jennings was! Ersan had one hot contract push strecth which he should have when it was a lockout shortened year when no one cared but the top teams to play the season.
Ilyasova is a effort player with no go to move who can hit an open shot or two and rebound a little. He is not a game changer like Jennings is and does not come through in the clutch.
He is mediocore on any other team and we should have moved him to Brooklyn when we had the chance for that lottery pick they got for Gerald Wallace if the Bucks were smart. Jeremy Lamb might be here with Henson or Drummond instead....

[Run-MKE 311]

This is certainly not a surprise, I will be curious to see what his value is at the halfway mark.