'14 Draft Thread - Now With a Poll: VOTE OR DIE.

[whatthe_buck!?]

This clumsy move sums up my reservations with Wiggins. I expect him to average more TO than AST this year (he had 0 assists against Duke). I think he could very well average less than 2 assists on the year (awful for an elite SG prospect). I also think he'll have more games where he has more TO than AST compared to the opposite (by a fairly large margin, if I had to guess).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YwFHc#t=14

I had major reservations about his ball handing and his overall offensive awareness in HS. So far in the NCAA, he's played the same way. He really is not the type of guy you can run an offense through even in college.

You can be a super crazy athlete, but if you can't create offense for yourself or others in a variety of ways, you aren't all that special.

If the clumsy move you're referring to is the one where he starts to lose control of the ball and then immediately regains control and fires a strike to his teammate rumbling down the lane for an easy basket I would argue that the recovery shows more ability and skill than the initial loss of control shows clumsiness. And honestly does he need to be able to pass anyway? If u can effortlessly get your shot off clean with 4 dudes around u focused on swatting the ball away who needs to pass? He may not create for others as of yet but he can definitely create offense, just give him the ball and have him barrel to the hoop and toss something up.

[Baddy Chuck]

The one thing I love about Wiggins is he fact that when he attacks the lane with a crazy quick move or spin I'm really not afraid at all that he's going to throw up a stupid shot, lose the ball or barrel into the defender because he is so in control of his body it's freakish. He's going to be an absolute monster in transition, cutting to the basket and attacking the rim. Parker on the other hand from the albeit small sample size I've seen is going to have much more trouble with those shots and turnovers. He just does not have the ball or body control that Wiggins does IMO.

Parker does have a stupid smooth step back jumper and overall jump shot though which is going to open a lot for him on drives that his athleticism/handles will hold him back with.

Like I said, I don't hate Parker, I just absolutely love what I've seen from Wiggins in that game and there is no way I'm passing on him in favor of Parker.

[The Wet Whistle]

I'll take either and be very happy about it

[Ayt]

This clumsy move sums up my reservations with Wiggins. I expect him to average more TO than AST this year (he had 0 assists against Duke). I think he could very well average less than 2 assists on the year (awful for an elite SG prospect). I also think he'll have more games where he has more TO than AST compared to the opposite (by a fairly large margin, if I had to guess).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YwFHc#t=14

I had major reservations about his ball handing and his overall offensive awareness in HS. So far in the NCAA, he's played the same way. He really is not the type of guy you can run an offense through even in college.

You can be a super crazy athlete, but if you can't create offense for yourself or others in a variety of ways, you aren't all that special.

If the clumsy move you're referring to is the one where he starts to lose control of the ball and then immediately regains control and fires a strike to his teammate rumbling down the lane for an easy basket I would argue that the recovery shows more ability and skill than the initial loss of control shows clumsiness. And honestly does he need to be able to pass anyway? If u can effortlessly get your shot off clean with 4 dudes around u focused on swatting the ball away who needs to pass? He may not create for others as of yet but he can definitely create offense, just give him the ball and have him barrel to the hoop and toss something up.

We are talking about Andrew Wiggins. You are quite clearly talking about someone else.

[emunney]

How did Wiggins not get credited with an assist? Weird.

[skones]

Pretty stark contrast there. I really don't know how anyone can say Wiggins looked like the superior prospect last night.

Because I saw a lot more then jumpshots from the one I thought was the better player. Wiggins showed me INSANELY quick and crisp moves all around the court, with and without the ball. Parker on the other hand looked like a guy with suspect moves with the ball, relying quite a bit on brute force whenever he wasn't just pulling up for a jumper and was pretty campy without the ball in his hands. Parker has a ton of talent, especially scoring the ball, but I have huge reservations on what he actually gives to your team when his jumpshot isn't falling. Towards the end of that game when he was chucking up some ill-advised shots that went in earlier and his wild running hook didn't fall he was more of a liability then this superstar people seemed to think he looked like. Like said, he had a great shooting performance in the first half, when that wasn't falling he was still taking them and offering little else.

Suspect moves with the ball? Boy, if you think Parker was had "suspect moves with the ball," I cringe to think what you thought Wiggins moves with the ball are called. His cut to the rim where he lost the ball but it happened to work out well for Kansas? The out of control spin move that resulted in a lucky bank off the glass from straight on? Wiggins entire game last night was centered around his athleticism, and that should raise some questions given how highly he's been touted as a prospect. Boiling Parkers game down to his jumpshot and "brute force" is flat out ignorant given the multitude of ways he's put the ball in the basket last night. "INSANELY quick and crisp moves," don't get you very far in the NBA on the wing when you don't have the skill set to match. It's one game, but Wiggins just didn't do a whole lot for me last night. Parker has alleviated A LOT of concerns I had about his athleticism and ability to play small forward over the first two games.

[Baddy Chuck]

Wiggins doesn't throw that off the backboard it's instantly blocked. Unless you wanted him to throw a 1 foot from the basket, 3 foot over the basket floater. He made a great move into the basket against his defender, the weakside player made a great move to get to him and Wiggins adjusted his shot with 1 hand at the height of his jump to account for the weakside help. It was an insane move.

[emunney]

You guys are nuts. There is just not that much difference between these guys as prospects. Parker is a go to scorer, but his defensive awareness is pretty poor. Wiggins is a good offensive player in spite of not having the advanced skill set Parker has due to his excellent movement off the ball and situational awareness. They are both phenomenal college freshman, just very different from each other. We have a decade to figure out which one is better.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Pretty stark contrast there. I really don't know how anyone can say Wiggins looked like the superior prospect last night.

Because I saw a lot more then jumpshots from the one I thought was the better player. Wiggins showed me INSANELY quick and crisp moves all around the court, with and without the ball. Parker on the other hand looked like a guy with suspect moves with the ball, relying quite a bit on brute force whenever he wasn't just pulling up for a jumper and was pretty campy without the ball in his hands. Parker has a ton of talent, especially scoring the ball, but I have huge reservations on what he actually gives to your team when his jumpshot isn't falling. Towards the end of that game when he was chucking up some ill-advised shots that went in earlier and his wild running hook didn't fall he was more of a liability then this superstar people seemed to think he looked like. Like said, he had a great shooting performance in the first half, when that wasn't falling he was still taking them and offering little else.

Suspect moves with the ball? Boy, if you think Parker was had "suspect moves with the ball," I cringe to think what you thought Wiggins moves with the ball are called. His cut to the rim where he lost the ball but it happened to work out well for Kansas? The out of control spin move that resulted in a lucky bank off the glass from straight on? Wiggins entire game last night was centered around his athleticism, and that should raise some questions given how highly he's been touted as a prospect. Boiling Parkers game down to his jumpshot and "brute force" is flat out ignorant given the multitude of ways he's put the ball in the basket last night. "INSANELY quick and crisp moves," don't get you very far in the NBA on the wing when you don't have the skill set to match. It's one game, but Wiggins just didn't do a whole lot for me last night. Parker has alleviated A LOT of concerns I had about his athleticism and ability to play small forward over the first two games.

Wiggins play last night is certainly raising a ton of questions for me alright. For example, is his ceiling T-Mac or MJ? Would he immediately became the most athletically gifted player with his length and height in the entire NBA or will he have to wait a year or two until Lebron declines a bit? Those kind of questions...

[Ayt]

The one thing I love about Wiggins is he fact that when he attacks the lane with a crazy quick move or spin I'm really not afraid at all that he's going to throw up a stupid shot, lose the ball or barrel into the defender because he is so in control of his body it's freakish. He's going to be an absolute monster in transition, cutting to the basket and attacking the rim. Parker on the other hand from the albeit small sample size I've seen is going to have much more trouble with those shots and turnovers. He just does not have the ball or body control that Wiggins does IMO.

Parker does have a stupid smooth step back jumper and overall jump shot though which is going to open a lot for him on drives that his athleticism/handles will hold him back with.

Like I said, I don't hate Parker, I just absolutely love what I've seen from Wiggins in that game and there is no way I'm passing on him in favor of Parker.

What? I can't image many people agreeing with that, even if they like Wiggins better as a prospect.

[emunney]

Yeah, I don't agree with that. I also think Wiggins has small hands in comparison to most of the elite wings of the last couple decades. I heard somebody say Wiggins' floor is Vince Carter, but I don't think Wiggins has the length and hands Carter had. Quicker, though.

[Ayt]

Wiggins play last night is certainly raising a ton of questions for me alright. For example, is his ceiling T-Mac or MJ? Would he immediately became the most athletically gifted player with his length and height in the entire NBA or will he have to wait a year or two until Lebron declines a bit? Those kind of questions...

I hope you aren't serious.

[whatthe_buck!?]

This clumsy move sums up my reservations with Wiggins. I expect him to average more TO than AST this year (he had 0 assists against Duke). I think he could very well average less than 2 assists on the year (awful for an elite SG prospect). I also think he'll have more games where he has more TO than AST compared to the opposite (by a fairly large margin, if I had to guess).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YwFHc#t=14

I had major reservations about his ball handing and his overall offensive awareness in HS. So far in the NCAA, he's played the same way. He really is not the type of guy you can run an offense through even in college.

You can be a super crazy athlete, but if you can't create offense for yourself or others in a variety of ways, you aren't all that special.

If the clumsy move you're referring to is the one where he starts to lose control of the ball and then immediately regains control and fires a strike to his teammate rumbling down the lane for an easy basket I would argue that the recovery shows more ability and skill than the initial loss of control shows clumsiness. And honestly does he need to be able to pass anyway? If u can effortlessly get your shot off clean with 4 dudes around u focused on swatting the ball away who needs to pass? He may not create for others as of yet but he can definitely create offense, just give him the ball and have him barrel to the hoop and toss something up.

We are talking about Andrew Wiggins. You are quite clearly talking about someone else.

Look last night was the first time I watched him play. I know u like to make things personal when people disagree with u and that's fine but last night I saw an ability to adjust in mid air with the ball with the kind of speed that defenders will simply not be able to adjust or react to. Give him a year or two to hone that talent and he will be terrifying going to the hoop imo.

[Ayt]

If the clumsy move you're referring to is the one where he starts to lose control of the ball and then immediately regains control and fires a strike to his teammate rumbling down the lane for an easy basket I would argue that the recovery shows more ability and skill than the initial loss of control shows clumsiness. And honestly does he need to be able to pass anyway? If u can effortlessly get your shot off clean with 4 dudes around u focused on swatting the ball away who needs to pass? He may not create for others as of yet but he can definitely create offense, just give him the ball and have him barrel to the hoop and toss something up.

We are talking about Andrew Wiggins. You are quite clearly talking about someone else.

Look last night was the first time I watched him play. I know u like to make things personal when people disagree with u and that's fine but last night I saw an ability to adjust with the ball in mid air with the kind of speed that defenders will simply not be able to adjust or react to. Give him a year or two to hone that talent and he will be terrifying going to the hoop imo.

No. I prefer arguments to be based on reality. The portion in bold above isn't even true in college.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Wiggins play last night is certainly raising a ton of questions for me alright. For example, is his ceiling T-Mac or MJ? Would he immediately became the most athletically gifted player with his length and height in the entire NBA or will he have to wait a year or two until Lebron declines a bit? Those kind of questions...

I hope you aren't serious.

Yeah i was clearly being somewhat tongue and cheek with that response but u knew that. if u wanna get serious though name me five players with a better combination of speed, jumping ability and quick twitch muscle movement at his height in the nba right now...

[whatthe_buck!?]

We are talking about Andrew Wiggins. You are quite clearly talking about someone else.

Look last night was the first time I watched him play. I know u like to make things personal when people disagree with u and that's fine but last night I saw an ability to adjust with the ball in mid air with the kind of speed that defenders will simply not be able to adjust or react to. Give him a year or two to hone that talent and he will be terrifying going to the hoop imo.

No. I prefer arguments to be based on reality. The portion in bold above isn't even true in college.

How many games has he played in college? Look u are really high on Parker in relation to Wiggins and I get that, I'm really high on Parker as well. I'm just more willing to project what Wiggins will become with the incredible talent/skill I saw on display last night and maybe youre not comfortable doing that or you're simply not seeing the same thing and that's fine.

[mattg]

You guys are nuts. There is just not that much difference between these guys as prospects. Parker is a go to scorer, but his defensive awareness is pretty poor. Wiggins is a good offensive player in spite of not having the advanced skill set Parker has due to his excellent movement off the ball and situational awareness. They are both phenomenal college freshman, just very different from each other. We have a decade to figure out which one is better.

This.

[skones]

You guys are nuts. There is just not that much difference between these guys as prospects. Parker is a go to scorer, but his defensive awareness is pretty poor. Wiggins is a good offensive player in spite of not having the advanced skill set Parker has due to his excellent movement off the ball and situational awareness. They are both phenomenal college freshman, just very different from each other. We have a decade to figure out which one is better.

This.

Yeah, but the draft is next June.......

[LedZepp007]

Look last night was the first time I watched him play. I know u like to make things personal when people disagree with u and that's fine but last night I saw an ability to adjust with the ball in mid air with the kind of speed that defenders will simply not be able to adjust or react to. Give him a year or two to hone that talent and he will be terrifying going to the hoop imo.

No. I prefer arguments to be based on reality. The portion in bold above isn't even true in college.

How many games has he played in college? Look u are really high on Parker in relation to Wiggins and I get that, I'm really high on Parker as well. I'm just more willing to project what Wiggins will become with the incredible talent/skill I saw on display last night and maybe youre not comfortable doing that or you're simply not seeing the same thing and that's fine.

Ayt is a huge troll. Wiggins' upside is so high it's hard to quantify


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[El Pooch Grande]

Guys, you gotta be happy with either Parker or Wiggins if they ever come close to being a Buck.

Geez if the Bucks have the #2 pick I'd almost rather perfer it...ala the Sonics with the Durant and Oden debate.