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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#281 » by Newz » Thu May 22, 2014 2:16 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, they aren't trading Noel to move up one spot. Really, it will be surprising if Philly makes a move up using 3/10. They are guaranteed Wiggins or Parker at their spot, and then a shooter like Stauskas coming back. They are set up to make a big jump next year between those two and Noel coming back.

You rarely see top 5 picks moved though.


Yup.

In all honesty if I am the Bucks and the Cavs take Embiid first, then I'd move 2 for 3/10 or 4/12 without thinking twice about it. You still get one of Wiggins, Exum, Parker, Smart or Vonleh... and then you get a quality prospect at 10-12 as well.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#282 » by driese0824 » Thu May 22, 2014 2:16 pm

nmeurett wrote:Id do that in a heartbeat!

#3 Jabari Parker
#10 Nik Stauskas or James Young

Lineup

PG: Knight/Wolters
SG Stauskas/Mayo
SF: Giannis/ Middleton
PF: Parker/ Henson/ Ersan
C: Noel/ Henson

Move forward with a big 3 of Giannas/Parker/Noel!



wow i like that lineup.Let me ask is it just me and something I ate or does any1 else get the feeling that hammonds knowing hes on the hot seat and wanting to impress is new bosses will be very aggressive this yar before and during the draft.
I just have this feeling he will pull off getting another lottery pick(or high teen pick) maybe even for that SG from NC state.
Or even do a trade like this if they can get parker at he 3
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#283 » by Badgerlander » Thu May 22, 2014 2:17 pm

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AussieBuck wrote:People get on Smart about his jumper because he's stagnated on it for 2 years at college. That and a jumper is more important when you don't have top end quickness.


I actually really like Smart. But with all prospects, they could go many ways. I could see him becoming a top 5-10 point guard in the league because he is a great defender, he can finish at the rim and he has the rare abiilty to be productive in the post for a guard. He is also very competitive and seems to play hard night in and night out. He's the type of guy that I think can really break down a defense.

But I could also see him ending up as more of a defensive specialist because he never develops a jump shot. He certainly doesn't seem like a Rondo type of guy who can get by without at least being decent in that area... I say this because I see him as more of a 'scoring point guard' as opposed to a distributor like Rondo is.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1947 ... rcus-smart
He's just not your typical breakdown point guard. Smart is a power guard—he relies heavily on overwhelming defenders with strength as opposed to quickness.

And it's not that he can't handle the ball, but you just don't see that slick change-of-direction ability shared by the most elusive point guards in the pros.

Smart really doesn't have the mid-range game that carries so many NBA-scoring 2-guards . According to Hoop-Math, only 19.3 percent of his shots come on two-point jumpers, where he's shooting just 28.8 percent.

Ironically, he takes the most shots from downtown, the area where he shoots the worst at 28.2 percent. And he wasn't much better last year, when he shot 29 percent from three.

He's effective around the basket, (shoots 64.4 percent at the rim, per Hoop-Math), but without a go-to mid-range game, along with limited shooting range, like I said before, there are questions that still need answers.

Smart has to frequently plow through interior defenders, as opposed to effortlessly float over them. And though he's as tough as nails around the basket, Smart doesn't have that extra burst that converts tough angles below the rim into easy buckets from up above it.

Take a look at Smart running the fast break below. Instead of hitting the gap and exploding up at the rim, a feature he just doesn't necessarily have the same access to as Exum, Smart's natural instinct is to make a play as a passer, resulting in poorly timed lob and an unforced turnover on a four-on-two break


I think teams will play off of Smart, crowd the lane, and let him shoot the 3 all day long.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#284 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu May 22, 2014 2:17 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:The one argument Parker had going for him was his intangibles because he acts like a winner. He lost a lot of those intangible points when this happened...
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400546931


LOL

He's also got a few more arguments going for him than his "intangibles."

I meant compared to Wiggins. Wiggins is a better athlete, in better shape, was as good or better at being an efficient scorer, plays way better defense, etc.
What does Parker have over Wiggins? Better mid-range and post-game?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#285 » by LUKE23 » Thu May 22, 2014 2:23 pm

Yeah, I think Philly will have the best young core in the East once the draft is done. Could see MCW/Stauskas/Parker/Young/Noel as their core five. That doesn't count the 56 second rounders they have. No terrible contacts either, they are $28M under the cap counting their 1st. Team has a great future.
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Post#286 » by skones » Thu May 22, 2014 2:24 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
skones wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:The one argument Parker had going for him was his intangibles because he acts like a winner. He lost a lot of those intangible points when this happened...
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400546931


LOL

He's also got a few more arguments going for him than his "intangibles."

I meant compared to Wiggins. Wiggins is a better athlete, in better shape, was as good or better at being an efficient scorer, plays way better defense, etc.
What does Parker have over Wiggins? Better mid-range and post-game?


His offensive game is far more diversified at this point, and it's not worth arguing. Also a much better rebounder. That's Jabari Parker's greatest strength. If you're going to knock him for his "intangibles" because he made a first round exit, then go ahead and do that, but I can also show you a substantial list of NBA players who made first round exits as college freshman.

If you're going to hold a poor shooting performance against Parker and make it the end all be all, how can you also discount Wiggins not even showing up for his team in the second?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#287 » by Newz » Thu May 22, 2014 2:27 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, I think Philly will have the best young core in the East once the draft is done. Could see MCW/Stauskas/Parker/Young/Noel as their core five. That doesn't count the 56 second rounders they have. No terrible contacts either, they are $28M under the cap counting their 1st. Team has a great future.


Unless the Bucks take him, I think the Magic end up with Exum. I think Exum/Oladipo can be a very good backcourt pairing for years to come as well. If I were them, I'd be targeting Nurkic at 12. I think they have a chance to be a very promising team as well.

The East is probably going to continue to suck for another 5-6 years, but once a lot of these guys start to hit their stride it should get a lot more competitive.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#288 » by JimmyTheKid » Thu May 22, 2014 2:32 pm

SkilesTheLimit wrote:
Miasma wrote:Mike Wickett: "Bucks fans have spoken". "They want nothing to do with Embiid!".


Get used to it from him and everyone else at WSSP.

When discussing the #2 pick, it's either Wiggins or Parker. Be damned if you mention another name besides the two of which they speak!


Yeah, and Wickett was another local sports radio "personality" that claimed having the #2 pick is better than #1. What planet are these people living on?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#289 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu May 22, 2014 2:33 pm

skones wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
skones wrote:
LOL

He's also got a few more arguments going for him than his "intangibles."

I meant compared to Wiggins. Wiggins is a better athlete, in better shape, was as good or better at being an efficient scorer, plays way better defense, etc.
What does Parker have over Wiggins? Better mid-range and post-game?


His offensive game is far more diversified at this point, and it's not worth arguing. Also a much better rebounder. That's Jabari Parker's greatest strength. If you're going to knock him for his "intangibles" because he made a first round exit, then go ahead and do that, but I can also show you a substantial list of NBA players who made first round exits as college freshman.

If you're going to hold a poor shooting performance against Parker and make it the end all be all, how can you also discount Wiggins not even showing up for his team in the second?

I guess my argument for Wiggins is that they were both equally productive as freshmen but Wiggins isn't completely developed yet. If you pick Wiggins, it's because of potential. If you pick Parker, it's because of current production and right now the production is pretty much the same. It really scares me Parker averaged less than 1 assist in conference play and was a pretty bad defender.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#290 » by Buckrageous » Thu May 22, 2014 2:35 pm

LUKE23 wrote:How you evaluate prospects (raw pts/reb stats with no context of efficiency, role in offense, or defensive impact) is ridiculous. If you don't see that, I don't know what to say. I'm going against your "an 11/8 center" comment. It's a dumb comment and I'm calling a spade a spade.

If that's how prospects were evaluated, we should be touting Doug McDermott at #1.

If we were going by athletism and forgetting production Glenn Robinson and Markel Brown should be top 5, no?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#291 » by SkilesTheLimit » Thu May 22, 2014 2:37 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, I think Philly will have the best young core in the East once the draft is done. Could see MCW/Stauskas/Parker/Young/Noel as their core five. That doesn't count the 56 second rounders they have. No terrible contacts either, they are $28M under the cap counting their 1st. Team has a great future.


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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#292 » by LUKE23 » Thu May 22, 2014 2:38 pm

Buckrageous wrote:If we were going by athletism and forgetting production Glenn Robinson and Markel Brown should be top 5, no?


We aren't drafting Embiid on "athleticism". You're drafting him on skill, per minute production, and projection.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#293 » by Badgerlander » Thu May 22, 2014 2:42 pm

#2 – Milwaukee Bucks :
Like most teams at the top, Milwaukee will gauge what their pick is worth, but sitting at number two isn’t a bad situation for Milwaukee. They had been planning for a top tier pick and with the second pick they still could end up with the player that was near the top of their board.
The Bucks have had eyes for Embiid for most of the season, but it seems pretty clear that his agents are trying to steer him away from Milwaukee. That’s not going to stop the Bucks from doing their due diligence on him in the event that Cleveland passes.
Word from the Draft Combine was that Jabari Parker and Dante Exum were the top two candidates for the Bucks and both may be there when the Bucks select at number two. There is a sense that new ownership in Milwaukee is going to have a lot of say in where this pick gets used and as much as the current management may want to go with Exum and set them up going forward, there may be a desire from ownership to pick a named guy that the fans can connect with.
Whether its Parker or Exum, the Bucks will come away with a solid player, which is what they were hoping for.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#294 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu May 22, 2014 2:51 pm

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#2 – Milwaukee Bucks :
Like most teams at the top, Milwaukee will gauge what their pick is worth, but sitting at number two isn’t a bad situation for Milwaukee. They had been planning for a top tier pick and with the second pick they still could end up with the player that was near the top of their board.
The Bucks have had eyes for Embiid for most of the season, but it seems pretty clear that his agents are trying to steer him away from Milwaukee. That’s not going to stop the Bucks from doing their due diligence on him in the event that Cleveland passes.
Word from the Draft Combine was that Jabari Parker and Dante Exum were the top two candidates for the Bucks and both may be there when the Bucks select at number two. There is a sense that new ownership in Milwaukee is going to have a lot of say in where this pick gets used and as much as the current management may want to go with Exum and set them up going forward, there may be a desire from ownership to pick a named guy that the fans can connect with.
Whether its Parker or Exum, the Bucks will come away with a solid player, which is what they were hoping for.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... z1M8hcQ.99

Weird that Wiggins wasn't brought up once.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#295 » by Ron Swanson » Thu May 22, 2014 2:56 pm

Have a sneaking suspicion Cleveland takes either Embiid or Parker #1. Embiid because, barring him refusing medical info (unlikely given he wants to go #1), he's the best prospect in the fold. And I could also see Parker if Dan Gilbert foolishly wants to "win-now" with Kyrie and not wait for a guy like Embiid, Exum, or Wiggins to fulfill their potential.

My guess is that they draft Embiid and re-sign Deng. Hilarious that they still think they have a shot at bringing Lebron back. That whole organization is clueless and delusional :crazy:
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#296 » by Aaron It Out » Thu May 22, 2014 2:57 pm

I think Exum is going to be a stud. I hope he is as high on their board as that article suggests. I can see fans getting really pissed if we drafted him though.
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Post#297 » by midranger » Thu May 22, 2014 2:57 pm

I'm sure it's been posted here over and over, but is there a crib notes version of what Embiid's agent is doing to prevent him from coming to Milwaukee?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#298 » by Aaron It Out » Thu May 22, 2014 2:58 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Weird that Wiggins wasn't brought up once.


I also thought that was weird but it does mention Embiid so I think he was assuming Wiggins goes #1.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#299 » by driese0824 » Thu May 22, 2014 3:01 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
#2 – Milwaukee Bucks :
Like most teams at the top, Milwaukee will gauge what their pick is worth, but sitting at number two isn’t a bad situation for Milwaukee. They had been planning for a top tier pick and with the second pick they still could end up with the player that was near the top of their board.
The Bucks have had eyes for Embiid for most of the season, but it seems pretty clear that his agents are trying to steer him away from Milwaukee. That’s not going to stop the Bucks from doing their due diligence on him in the event that Cleveland passes.
Word from the Draft Combine was that Jabari Parker and Dante Exum were the top two candidates for the Bucks and both may be there when the Bucks select at number two. There is a sense that new ownership in Milwaukee is going to have a lot of say in where this pick gets used and as much as the current management may want to go with Exum and set them up going forward, there may be a desire from ownership to pick a named guy that the fans can connect with.
Whether its Parker or Exum, the Bucks will come away with a solid player, which is what they were hoping for.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... z1M8hcQ.99

Weird that Wiggins wasn't brought up once.



maybe the bucks have thoughts of using knight at the 2 spot giannis at the 3 and parker at the 4.
As for pg maybe just maybe Hammond will be aggressive this predraft and trade to either with the kings or a upper teen pick and draft that PG JMO
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#300 » by skones » Thu May 22, 2014 3:04 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
skones wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:I meant compared to Wiggins. Wiggins is a better athlete, in better shape, was as good or better at being an efficient scorer, plays way better defense, etc.
What does Parker have over Wiggins? Better mid-range and post-game?


His offensive game is far more diversified at this point, and it's not worth arguing. Also a much better rebounder. That's Jabari Parker's greatest strength. If you're going to knock him for his "intangibles" because he made a first round exit, then go ahead and do that, but I can also show you a substantial list of NBA players who made first round exits as college freshman.

If you're going to hold a poor shooting performance against Parker and make it the end all be all, how can you also discount Wiggins not even showing up for his team in the second?

I guess my argument for Wiggins is that they were both equally productive as freshmen but Wiggins isn't completely developed yet. If you pick Wiggins, it's because of potential. If you pick Parker, it's because of current production and right now the production is pretty much the same. It really scares me Parker averaged less than 1 assist in conference play and was a pretty bad defender.


If you think Parker is "completely developed" you're flat out ignorant.

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