Poll: Would you trade Giannis for Parker or Wiggins?

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Sherman Douglas is getting to the point where he's basically cheering and hoping for the demise of Giannis. I've never seen a "fan" piss on their team's most promising player as much as he has.

bull. I said I can see him being a starting player on a title team and I'd be thrilled if he's even close to Kirilenko, let alone better than anyone in this draft.

You're just pissy cus your utterly ridiculous statement is in the sig.

I told you the day you created it that I could care less and stand by the statement. I think what is ridiculous is going out of your way to create a gif ripping fellow Bucks fans for being excited about the team's most promising player. Are you really going to be happy if the guy is an all-star in 2-3 years (like some experts are predicting)? Seems to me you are hoping he flames out of the league so you can say "I told you so."

[Newz]

I personally don't get the vibe from Sherman Douglas that Sherman Douglas that he wants Giannis to fail so that he can laugh. I think he'd be willing to eat a lot of crow if Giannis ended up being a superstar... he just doesn't think that there is much of a chance that he will be a superstar. I feel the same way, so I get it.

Sounds like Sherman Douglas thinks a more realistic projection for Giannis is for him to be good and not great. Just like I think more realistic expectations of him are to be an elite role player or a second/third tier star like a Danny Granger or something along those lines.

I don't think that's rooting for him to fail. I think that's just that people having differing opinions on what his upside is... and because Sherman Douglas and myself (and some others) don't see some super prospect like some others do... we think those projects are a bit out of hand.

[bizarro]

I personally don't get the vibe from Sherman Douglas that Sherman Douglas that he wants Giannis to fail so that he can laugh. I think he'd be willing to eat a lot of crow if Giannis ended up being a superstar... he just doesn't think that there is much of a chance that he will be a superstar. I feel the same way, so I get it.

Sounds like Sherman Douglas thinks a more realistic projection for Giannis is for him to be good and not great. Just like I think more realistic expectations of him are to be an elite role player or a second/third tier star like a Danny Granger or something along those lines.

I don't think that's rooting for him to fail. I think that's just that people having differing opinions on what his upside is... and because Sherman Douglas and myself (and some others) don't see some super prospect like some others do... we think those projects are a bit out of hand.

I think a more realistic projection - not to mention one immediately more accessible - is Sherman Douglas' floor is MBBOT and his ceiling is Duke H?

*I'm only kidding General Sherm. Giannis
mad me do it!

[M-C-G]

Don't see why people need to give a full detailed novel on why they believe one or two players are more talented then Giannis. "Hype" certainly plays into Giannis being higher on peoples boards as well. "What would he have done in college!?!! What would he have done in a different role!?!!". He very well have could have "floundered" to the same extent Wiggins and Parker did in college, or possibly even lower. We don't know. Nobody does. We do know in the role he was played in he certainly had a less then stellar rookie season overall, though flashes were there obviously. It's all projections and hype with Giannis just like with Parker and Wiggins.

I get this is in response to a thread but I'd like to comment on it...

If you are comparing one guy that didn't go to college but is the same age as these two guys that went to college, in a thread about comparing their relative value...we have debated the translation of the college guys skill sets to the NBA for countless pages, why not translate the NBA guy that didn't play college to speculate, in order to compare value of players?

I do agree, it is all projections with Giannis, but the difference is that we have seen "flashes" of his skills, almost everyone of his skills he demonstrated in grainy high school gyms against toddlers has translated into the NBA against starting 5 quality players. They were certainly flashes and not consistent, but it can't be debated, he has demonstrated those skills in the NBA, while obviously neither Parker or Wiggins have had the opportunity to do so.

I just don't see how either player projects to be better than what Giannis has shown...Now, he may never get consistent, and may in 5 years just be a guy that shows flashes, but I wouldn't bet against him. Parker will likely be a better scorer. Wiggins may be a better defender. But I think Giannis ends up being the better overall player of the three.

That said, I can't wait to pair one of them with Giannis!

[Sherman Douglas]

Are you really going to be happy if the guy is an all-star in 2-3 years (like some experts are predicting)?

No, you're right, I'll be devastated. I hate when the Bucks win. It's a miracle I survived the 2000 season, but I managed to make it through those dark times so that I could enjoy the last 13 years.

[sherm]

Its just that we play the highlight video and say
potential "oozes" out of him.

And what are all these scouting videos being posted about Wiggins and Parker? We've gone over the stats again and again. The problem I have with some of these arguments is some people are treating Giannis as if he's had his chance and couldn't make it, so you have to go for the potential. When in fact he's the same age as both of the prospects we're talking about and NO ONE was expecting him to come out and do what he did in the NBA in year one. Everyone thought he'd take a few years to be productive against NBA competition but he came in and on some nights looked like the best player on our team despite some of our players completely ignoring him.

Thats my point. The highlight video doesnt ooze potential. It shows a player making plays. If we didnt know giannis and took that tape along with the other prospects in this years draft and never saw them either, we wouldnt apply such hyperbolie to Giannis. I hope wish and dream that he becomes to us what pippen was to the bulls, but i wont go out and say I wouldnt trade him for any player in the league expect lebron.

[Sherman Douglas]

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Attention anti-Shermanities, the sig (which was intended to be funny and not "ripping" anyone) is now gone, okay? If people are gonna take it personally then I don't want to keep it. Now can we all go back to being bestest friends?

And yes, I will be happy to eat crow if Giannis is a once in a generation stud.

[Treebeard]

And yes, I will be happy to eat crow if Giannis is a once in a generation stud.

And I will eat that crow if he doesn't make an all NBA team - but I will be pissing and moaning about my being an idiot while I chew on that tough old bird....

[sherm]

The thing is, we are all Bucks fans. We all want our players to be legendary superstars and we run off 15 straight championships. But as "fans" we become fanatical about our own players and become lost in that world. Then those who dont feel the same way or are in that "fan"tasy land become "haters" of our team or that player. Thats not fair, because want the best from Giannis

[Bucks_MacGyver]

Can't wait until 4 seasons from now to see what this team can potentially look like

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[Ruben Quevedo]

The answer is still no.

Yesterday confirmed my belief that he's a better prospect than either.

[ReasonablySober]

Some of the opinions in here are hilarious.

[Ron Swanson]

Nope, wouldn't do it.

[emunney]

I like when I go back through my posts in a thread like this and my only contribution is an inane and very much in-the-weeds argument with Newz about the extent of Giannis' uniqueness.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Oh god, I hope I didn't post in this thread.

[humanrefutation]

A more interesting question:

If I could guarantee that Embiid will be a healthy player in the long run, and would play the same number of games as Giannis, would you trade Giannis for Embiid? How about for Simmons?

I wouldn't, but there's definitely going to be a debate in the next five years between Giannis/Simmons/Embiid as the best player in the league.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Poor old Europa really took a huge L in this thread.

[SupremeHustle]

Faster than you can say "new Gucci shoes".

Oh yeah. This was the day my account got hacked.

[ackypoo]

a lot of people around here have really bad takes on basketball. confirmed.

[DingleJerry]

A more interesting question:

If I could guarantee that Embiid will be a healthy player in the long run, and would play the same number of games as Giannis, would you trade Giannis for Embiid? How about for Simmons?

I wouldn't, but there's definitely going to be a debate in the next five years between Giannis/Simmons/Embiid as the best player in the league.

Man that's a helluva question. At least we don't have to answer since the injury is there for Embiid. It saddens me to say but if you could guarantee the same amount of health from here out I think I'd take Embiid.

Some other old takes you could dig up would be some of the discussions of Phi roster vs MKE roster after Giannis/Embiid from roughly a year ago. Lots of hot takes in there I remember about Simmons not being good...I mean, you know his team didn't even make the tournament...