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Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

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Do you want the Bucks to hire Jason Kidd as POBO?

Yes, I want them to hire Jason Kidd to run the organization
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No, I do not want them to hire Jason Kidd to run the organization
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#281 » by Chuck Diesel » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:16 am

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Rockmaninoff wrote:All I ever hear here is uptempo and ball movement. That's Jason f'ing Kidd!


But that doesn't mean I want him running the organization.

Further, there have to be a number of other strong candidates for coach that the Bucks could consider hiring AFTER they hire a top tier GM/POBO.

At the end of the day, IF a strong/sane POBO really wants to hire Jason Kidd as his coach, then I'd give him benefit of the doubt.


who realistically do you want to be GM/POBO?



Off the top of my head, Shareef Abdur-Raheim & Sean Marks are both vastly more qualified than Jason Kidd.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#282 » by trwi7 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:18 am

Shareef don't like it.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#283 » by SpottedBadger » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:20 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I have a feeling this is happening. Just too much smoke for there not to be some fire. As a person who advocates hiring smart people and as a Suns fan who just watched a smart guy in Hornacek do wonders in his first year Kidds background troubles me. With that said I'll hold my judgement until i see the results; if he puts good people around him and doesn't act like the jackass his past tells you he might then he might be OK. Obviously I voted no on the poll above but realistically i don't know the dude and I really don't know if he'll do a good job.

I had real hopes that Edens and Lasry would look at what the Suns did and follow that same line of thinking...instead we get Jason Kidd.

The Suns hired a smart guy in Ryan McDonough, who came from Boston, who then hired a good coach in Jeff Hornacek. In one year, two smart guys dramatically turned around the Suns. They traded away the waste (Gortat, Dudley, Scola,) collected assets (3 first round picks, Eric Bledsoe,) and developed players. That's how you build a basketball organization and culture.

In my ideal world, Lasry and Edens would have hired another smart, analytical mind from Boston in Michael Zarren and a young smart coach in Mike Longabardi. That's a good basketball infrastructure. Those kinds of minds would turn waste like Illaysova, Mayo, and Zaza into assets.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#284 » by SpottedBadger » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:23 am

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TroyD92 wrote:These overreactions are insane. Some of you need to take a nice nap and shake off the booze.

Explain how these are overreactions?


We know nothing at this point and people are already saying things like the new owners are Herb Kohl reincarnate. They might be, but we sure as hell don't know that yet.

Well, we know that almost every reputable basketball insider has the story, and usually in the NBA, when there's smoke, there's fire. We also know that Lasry has a close personal relationship with Kidd. And we do know that Kidd is woefully unqualified for the job and his current employer already told him there was no possible way they would allow him that kind of power and responsibility. Those are pretty good indicators and predictors.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#285 » by vegaspacker » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:25 am

Case in point, if Kidd trusted Lasry to do his finances and was rewarded... I think a relationship of mutual respect must have been established. If anyone can reign in a wild stallion it is the horse whispered.

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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#286 » by TroyD92 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:26 am

I generally agree, but I'm just saying to take a step back, and wait for something before losing your mind. I wouldn't be happy about it personally.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#287 » by MrPerfect1 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:28 am

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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#288 » by vegaspacker » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:35 am

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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#289 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:44 am

SpottedBadger wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I have a feeling this is happening. Just too much smoke for there not to be some fire. As a person who advocates hiring smart people and as a Suns fan who just watched a smart guy in Hornacek do wonders in his first year Kidds background troubles me. With that said I'll hold my judgement until i see the results; if he puts good people around him and doesn't act like the jackass his past tells you he might then he might be OK. Obviously I voted no on the poll above but realistically i don't know the dude and I really don't know if he'll do a good job.

I had real hopes that Edens and Lasry would look at what the Suns did and follow that same line of thinking...instead we get Jason Kidd.

The Suns hired a smart guy in Ryan McDonough, who came from Boston, who then hired a good coach in Jeff Hornacek. In one year, two smart guys dramatically turned around the Suns. They traded away the waste (Gortat, Dudley, Scola,) collected assets (3 first round picks, Eric Bledsoe,) and developed players. That's how you build a basketball organization and culture.

In my ideal world, Lasry and Edens would have hired another smart, analytical mind from Boston in Michael Zarren and a young smart coach in Mike Longabardi. That's a good basketball infrastructure. Those kinds of minds would turn waste like Illaysova, Mayo, and Zaza into assets.

Longabardi is very well respected and he'll most likely get a head coaching gig in the next few years. Real up and comer. Bonus feature if you hire him it's always funny seeing how tiny he looks next to NBA players; he's just a wee little dude.

(Just for accuracy sake the suns actually got Bledsoe green plumlee and 2 1st for dudley gortat and Scola)
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#290 » by bullox » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:08 am

MrPerfect1 wrote:Honestly, if we want a "name," I would rank Bill Simmons >>>>>>>> Jason Kidd. At least Simmons has experience running an Organization (Grantland),



This.

This right here.

This right here makes you completely unworthy of assuming you have any idea of what you are talking about as it relates to NBA front office decisions.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#291 » by bullox » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:14 am

vegaspacker wrote:Case in point, if Kidd trusted Lasry to do his finances and was rewarded... I think a relationship of mutual respect must have been established. If anyone can reign in a wild stallion it is the horse whispered.

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I see what youre saying, but Lasry isn't the guy Kidd would be dealing with. It would be the rest of the NBA. As it so happens he's played for quite a few teams and a few of them aren't happy with the way he left. If he wants to make deals he needs friends in this league, not just in his own front office.
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Post#292 » by vlietinho » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:14 am

wtf?! just wait, what? Jason Kidd? GTFO
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Post#293 » by MiltownHawkeye » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:41 am

I feel like Beecher in episode 1 of Oz right now.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#294 » by Plossum » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:08 am

Hmmm, seems like way too much of a 'win now' move from new management.

They feel like they've got their two stars and now they can start winning. This inevitably ends with mediocre vets taking minutes from the young guys you need to invest in.

If Kidd's all for a measured rebuild then sure, but I think he'd get itchy feet wanting to win now.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#295 » by teerfour+40LG » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:21 am

If J-Kidd wants to trade Henson for McLemore more than the current regime, then yes. Yes, the Bucks should hire him.
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Post#296 » by MrPerfect1 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:21 am

bullox wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:Honestly, if we want a "name," I would rank Bill Simmons >>>>>>>> Jason Kidd. At least Simmons has experience running an Organization (Grantland),



This.

This right here.

This right here makes you completely unworthy of assuming you have any idea of what you are talking about as it relates to NBA front office decisions.


Interesting analysis on why Kidd is more qualified to lead an organization. Please explain how being able to dribble a basketball makes him better suited to run a team than someone who has experience already running a company.

Those sub 500 SAT scores by Kidd really make me feel better when he has to negotiate and compete and out think the Morey's and Hinkie's of the world. Or, maybe you like Kidd's history of poor work ethic as a coach where he regularly was late for various functions. We sure wouldn't want a hard worker to lead the team
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#297 » by SpottedBadger » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:42 am

MrPerfect1 wrote:
bullox wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:Honestly, if we want a "name," I would rank Bill Simmons >>>>>>>> Jason Kidd. At least Simmons has experience running an Organization (Grantland),



This.

This right here.

This right here makes you completely unworthy of assuming you have any idea of what you are talking about as it relates to NBA front office decisions.


Interesting analysis on why Kidd is more qualified to lead an organization. Please explain how being able to dribble a basketball makes him better suited to run a team than someone who has experience already running a company.

Those sub 500 SAT scores by Kidd really make me feel better when he has to negotiate and compete and out think the Morey's and Hinkie's of the world. Or, maybe you like Kidd's history of poor work ethic as a coach where he regularly was late for various functions. We sure wouldn't want a hard worker to lead the team

I don't know about Simmons, but I would genuinely take Zach Lowe over Jason Kidd.
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Post#298 » by Ruzious » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:53 am

I'm amazed that there isn't a LOT more support for Kidd. Look at the job he did last season with a bunch of absurdly slow players after losing his best player. He has credibility - which is something the Bucks horribly lack in their management and coaching. And credibility can open the door to so many opportunities.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#299 » by Paradise » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:54 am

MrPerfect1 wrote:
bullox wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:Honestly, if we want a "name," I would rank Bill Simmons >>>>>>>> Jason Kidd. At least Simmons has experience running an Organization (Grantland),



This.

This right here.

This right here makes you completely unworthy of assuming you have any idea of what you are talking about as it relates to NBA front office decisions.


Interesting analysis on why Kidd is more qualified to lead an organization. Please explain how being able to dribble a basketball makes him better suited to run a team than someone who has experience already running a company.

Those sub 500 SAT scores by Kidd really make me feel better when he has to negotiate and compete and out think the Morey's and Hinkie's of the world. Or, maybe you like Kidd's history of poor work ethic as a coach where he regularly was late for various functions. We sure wouldn't want a hard worker to lead the team


Nets fan here. As pissed and disgusted as I am about this whole thing, I will admit Kidd worked hard as a coach. The public eye around the league and media didn't want to give him any credit while everyone else would rather make fun of him but the reality is he certainly knows basketball and he has potential to be very good down the road at this.

He recruited Shaun Livingston personally as his pet project and turned him into a terrific two way shooting guard. He wanted Mason Plumlee while the Nets originally planned to assign him to the D-League for the majority of the season but Kidd wanted him on the main roster and Plumlee finished the season 4th in Rookie Of The Year voting, Mirza Teletovic had a breakout season after being misused by the last two coaches and Joe Johnson had his best season of his playoff career. He recruited Kirilenko, Pierce, Garnett, among others singlehandedly.

He can definitely bring good qualities to the Bucks. His player development ability is pretty good but from a personal/character standpoint, he is simply a disloyal tool. Which is ironic because he "prides" himself on coaching unselfish high IQ players.

The biggest concern with a position of power is his ability to ruin something for his own agenda or stubborn attitude. If he is strictly the President of Operations, there is no guarantee he won't fire his own hand picked coach whenever he feels bored of sitting at a disk doing executive work. Reguardless if that coach is doing a good job or not.
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Post#300 » by bizarro » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:59 am

(Props to 'Paradise' from the Brooklyn board for posting this in their Kidd thread)

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