PG Thread (Utah) - Post all-star tank gets rolling?

[Prince12]

Nah, Beverly is far better then Delly and especially defensively.

Far better? Nah. I'll stick by what I said. You see Beverly spamming pick and rolls, standing at the top of the key off our offense or chasing guys all around the court on defense everyone would be calling him Royal Ivey to Delly's Nate Wolters.

At least Beverly can actually stay in front of an opponent his size. Obviously our scheme can make everyone look bad but Delly is really bad. It's disappointing.

[AussieBuck]

I think the biggest thing early in the year was the shooting slump. The first 30 games (pre sitting out for injury) he was shooting 33% from three and even 33% in wide open threes. Post that time off he's at 42% from three and 50% on open threes which is much closer to his career norms.

Also, as weird as it sounds, I think Plumlee made a good impact (with Delly) early in the season. Delly's only value as the "point guard" Kidd is using him as is as a pick and roll passer and Plumlee was pretty much our only guy who could run the pick and roll, even if he sucked. I mean ****, we're even seeing it with Giannis this season. He's doing pretty much nothing in the pick and roll as arguably one of the biggest pick and roll threats in the league because we have absolutely nobody who can run it with him.

Exactly this. Pick and roll with a lob viable big is the only time Delly should be doing any non-Dudley things and even then he shouldn't be doing it much if Giannis or Mids is on court. He doesn't have to suck but we need a coach who isn't a clown. Maybe we can get Kidd a better assistant to tell him to give the ball to the talent?

Still hope AussieBuck ,maybe the bring another Greek to learn them how to play the pick and roll.

Watch on YouTube

Would be cool to get a dynamic pick and roll guard in the draft and have Giannis as roll man, Mids/Giannis looks pretty sexy tho. We need Thon's future backup at C to be a pick and roll finisher too.

[har13]

Exactly this. Pick and roll with a lob viable big is the only time Delly should be doing any non-Dudley things and even then he shouldn't be doing it much if Giannis or Mids is on court. He doesn't have to suck but we need a coach who isn't a clown. Maybe we can get Kidd a better assistant to tell him to give the ball to the talent?

Still hope AussieBuck ,maybe the bring another Greek to learn them how to play the pick and roll.

Watch on YouTube

Would be cool to get a dynamic pick and roll guard in the draft and have Giannis as roll man, Mids/Giannis looks pretty sexy tho. We need Thon's future backup at C to be a pick and roll finisher too.

I was speaking about Itoudis,the head coach of Cska ,Teodosic play there too tho.

[AussieBuck]

Still hope AussieBuck ,maybe the bring another Greek to learn them how to play the pick and roll.

Watch on YouTube

Would be cool to get a dynamic pick and roll guard in the draft and have Giannis as roll man, Mids/Giannis looks pretty sexy tho. We need Thon's future backup at C to be a pick and roll finisher too.

I was speaking about Itoudis,the head coach of Cska ,Teodosic play there too tho.

I'll take both ideas.

[JEIS]

1.)Waive French Axel dude
2.) Make Jet a coach
3.)Sign D. Fisher
4.)Go get Matt Barnes
5.) Get Popcorn
6.) Sit on a comfortable couch
7.)Watch the chaos unfold
8.) Henson Smile goes away
9) Barnes goes to prision
10.) Fisher goes to the hospital
11.)Draft Top 5

[Downunder_buck]

I'm a 'new delly guy', and I am increasingly frustrated and disappointed now also. For him right now he needs to be more agressive taking shots, doesn't help for spacing or passing lanes if he won't. Agree with others that in crunch time he has been poor also, just trying too much. Defense has lost a step, which he can't afford, but that not helped by the 'scrambing' defensive strategy. Just before the break where he seemed to b allowed to focus on a single player it seemed to be bit better. As other noted, used the right way he cld be solid to good, but as PnR not seeming to b a focus tht takes a big positive of his off the table. Other big impact is his passing, yes occasionally wild, but generally very good. Seems a big problem since he came to bucks is that the hands of many in the team just not able to be ready for/hold his passes, and that's on everyone. But taking another of his few strong points away. Again just before the break with a bit more point giannis it looked a bit better for all, and delly wld be best focusing on movement and quick passes (if others catch) and shooting to start making space again

[stellation]

People who don't like Delly don't understand basketball. Am I referring to you, the reader of this post? Most likely not, I'm sure you're the exception to that rule.

[blazza18]

Delly throwing lobs out of the pnr and Delly catch and shoot threes. I'm not sure why we brought him in to do more than that. His role shouldn't be that complicated.

[sdn40]

Seems like Delly was much more effective early in the year. Not sure but I think his downfall was thinking he could get to the hoop. The really sad part of this is that Kidd can't salvage the situation. This should be his forte'.

[Tkooj]

I know this is early but...

2017 Free Agency

What are the thoughts on signing Ian Clark as a third guard next year along with Delly/Brogdon? He can create his own shot and is wet, giving a change of pace from our current PGs. Although 25 years old, he has spent the past 2 seasons playing with the Warriors so he will have valuable championship experience. Other targets could be Langston Galloway, or more expensive options like Patty Mills to keep the Aussie trend going or Darren Collison who we were just linked to at the trade deadline. What are your thoughts and what are some other targets?

[Prince12]

Delly throwing lobs out of the pnr and Delly catch and shoot threes. I'm not sure why we brought him in to do more than that. His role shouldn't be that complicated.

The unfortunate thing with that is the guy that was hoped to be catching Delly lobs all day got paid, got depressed, didn't play and then thankfully got traded.

[milwaukee bunks]

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except mine is the actual kid from the first one 20+ years later

[LuessiT]

What's bothering me most about Delly is that he's not taking some semi-open three's to then drive on the close-out and throw up a wierd floater. Like he was brought in to shoot 3's and play D. Why isn't he doing it?

[Prez]

I mean, you don't see a correlation between playing high minutes insanely misused and stats saying that you're not good at it? I'd say they pretty much go hand in hand.

Him being "insanely misused" equaling being asked (as a point guard) to do point guard things...is problematic.

Hell yeah it's problematic. We (presumably) brought him in to play off of PG Giannis. Most didn't even think it would be even a 50/50 split thing. Delly isn't a guy who is running your offense. Just as Beverly has basically never been at any point during his time in Houston. These are guys who bring the ball up, get you into your set and let your stars run the sets. You (hopefully) didn't sign them to do too many point guard things. God knows Beverly does almost zero "point guard things" in Houston. And again, I think a lot of it boils down to people pining for a 3+D guard so long that they forgot what a 3+D guard actually is. Going back to Beverly, he isn't going to have some George Hill like surge if you put the ball in his hands and ask him to be your point guard. People would be bitching that he can't do "point guard things".

The Beverley comparison doesn't really make sense considering he's a much better defender, is a substantially better finisher at the rim, and is generally a way more explosive athlete in terms of occasionally getting to the rim. People don't bitch about Delly simply because he's limited as a point guard and is misused here, it's also because the other stuff that he IS supposed to be good at (defense, shooting) he's really nothing special there either. Beverley is also limited as a true point guard but even if he was misused here, he's still better than Delly at most of those other aspects to soften the blow.

[drone3]

The best move forward would be to bring in Nate Robinson. He's the answer to all our problems. We can do this guys #5 is within reach!

[Jez2983]

What's bothering me most about Delly is that he's not taking some semi-open three's to then drive on the close-out and throw up a wierd floater. Like he was brought in to shoot 3's and play D. Why isn't he doing it?

Perhaps we should recall Delly running around channelling his inner Nash early in the season to close every game.

Why? I mean he had a great Olympics, maybe he wanted to be more involved. But after it hadn't worked the first few times, I suspect some leadership was required.

[Pachinko_]

I just made a groundbreaking discovery: In the NBA there is a very strong correlation between winning teams and the quality of their point guard. All good teams in the league currently have an all star (or fringe all star) PG. And all great PGs play in good teams (exceptions POR and CHA since Zeller got injured). I base this discovery on the scientific method of eyeballing the current top 4 teams in each conference and drooling over their point guards, while ignoring all previous NBA seasons because I'm too lazy to do any research. That's plenty for me, I am convinced.

Conclusion: Delly and Brogdon are great role players and I like them both, but unless we somehow find/steal/draft/develop a star PG we're not getting very far as a team.

Might be some truth in this?

[Prince12]

What's bothering me most about Delly is that he's not taking some semi-open three's to then drive on the close-out and throw up a wierd floater. Like he was brought in to shoot 3's and play D. Why isn't he doing it?

Perhaps we should recall Delly running around channelling his inner Nash early in the season to close every game.

Why? I mean he had a great Olympics, maybe he wanted to be more involved. But after it hadn't worked the first few times, I suspect some leadership was required.

I think it honestly could have just been that he wasn't on the cavs anymore, young team, big pay day for him and he got carried away.
His Olympic play wouldn't have been a factor he played a nice role but he wasn't dominant scoring 6 points or less in 5 of the 8 games. What he did do though was shoot the three at 46% although taking only 2 a game.
I think hes certainly been better offensively lately he just needs to hit more threes. The floaters are really gross despite that being a shot he's been comfortable with in the past.
Again it's the defense that has been really, really disappointing.

[stellation]

except mine is the actual kid from the first one 20+ years later

[HKPackFan]

People who don't like Delly don't understand basketball. Am I referring to you, the reader of this post? Most likely not, I'm sure you're the exception to that rule.

If only we had a coach with a pg background that knew how to use him.....