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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#281 » by ABucksFan » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:27 pm

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ABucksFan wrote:Series just proves superstars wins championships. Great coaching can only get you so far. This is pretty bad for small market teams, did everything right (kind of) and in 1 year BKN just walks to a title by assembling the Avengers.


This is not at all what I see happening. Kyrie and Durant are making shots, that's not shocking, and that's not why a team loses by 40. Our fundamentals fell apart. No communication defensively, tentative ball movement, poor individual ball security. We're getting skull **** on the basics of team play.



Kyrie and KD have the Bucks shook. They are asserting their will, they're not only making shots, but creating great looks. They're doing this with less than a season of playing basketball together....Bucks have had more than enough time building chemistry and look out-classed. No one has looked on the level of KD/Kyrie. That's what SUPERSTARS can do, put them together and it's easy.

We don't have the guys with the mentality/skill to fight back. Hope I'm wrong, but that's what it's looking like.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#282 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:27 pm

Welp.

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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#283 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:29 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Welp.

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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#284 » by ABucksFan » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:29 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Welp.

Read on Twitter


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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#285 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:32 pm

The part of this series I can't take is that we're making guys like Kyrie, KD, Griffin, and Mike James look like all-NBA defenders.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#286 » by coolhandluke121 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:34 pm

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SupremeHustle wrote:Welp.

Spoiler:
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KD always praises Giannis and once called him the toughest player to guard. Even if this happened, KD might just think the comparison is ridiculous because they have very different bodies and skillsets, not because he takes it personal.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#287 » by M-C-G » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:38 pm

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ABucksFan wrote:Series just proves superstars wins championships. Great coaching can only get you so far. This is pretty bad for small market teams, did everything right (kind of) and in 1 year BKN just walks to a title by assembling the Avengers.


This is not at all what I see happening. Kyrie and Durant are making shots, that's not shocking, and that's not why a team loses by 40. Our fundamentals fell apart. No communication defensively, tentative ball movement, poor individual ball security. We're getting skull **** on the basics of team play.


Some of the defensive breakdowns were absurd. TWO guys on Bruce Brown in the paint without the ball at the expense of leaving KEVIN FRICKEN DURANT WIDE OPEN...sorry to have yelled. It looked like we threw some **** at the wall, the guys on the court looked completely baffled about where they were suppose to be to the point their second unit was playing neck and neck with our starters.

Inability to have anyone on the team that can give an entry pass to Lopez while Durant is guarding, just shows it was not something we were preparing to use. We literally looked like the small team out there and playing even smaller. And while Kyrie and Durant were in, why was Giannis guarding Mike James so frequently? All these things look like poor coaching or preparedness to me. The lack of focus and execution totally on the players, they tightened up and all fell back in to the worst versions of themselves from a team perspective. No easy shots, one guy dribbling to get to his spot and frankly Durant had to be laughing at how Giannis wanted to settle for jumpers, but then we he was drawing fouls taking 4 minutes to barely hit the front of the rim was just too much.

I've always thought it was something that happened at the bubble like an incident, but I am wondering if it was just something mentally that broke a few guys instead, really haven't been the same, but I suppose it could date all the way back to that Raptors series, like in their minds they think they are chokers, I don't know.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#288 » by M-C-G » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:39 pm

I will say, I was always against Chris Paul idea, but I think in retrospect you guys are right, that might have been the guy that could have got us there.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#289 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:52 pm

As if this series does anything to change the fact that KD is one of the biggest loser mentality players in the history of basketball. All these guys (Kyrie, Harden, even Blake out there with his antics) love to puff their chests out and trash talk when they team up, not so much when they choke and can't cut it as "the guy" for their own franchises. The media and clowns like Jay Williams will keep giving them a pass because they love the super-team narrative and that's what the NBA thinks drives ratings. Hope they enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#290 » by soxperry » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:56 pm

Pain.... Deep, tormenting, unending pain and misery....

Why...

What did we do?
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#291 » by Chad34 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:58 pm

ABucksFan wrote:
emunney wrote:
ABucksFan wrote:Series just proves superstars wins championships. Great coaching can only get you so far. This is pretty bad for small market teams, did everything right (kind of) and in 1 year BKN just walks to a title by assembling the Avengers.


This is not at all what I see happening. Kyrie and Durant are making shots, that's not shocking, and that's not why a team loses by 40. Our fundamentals fell apart. No communication defensively, tentative ball movement, poor individual ball security. We're getting skull **** on the basics of team play.



Kyrie and KD have the Bucks shook. They are asserting their will, they're not only making shots, but creating great looks. They're doing this with less than a season of playing basketball together....Bucks have had more than enough time building chemistry and look out-classed. No one has looked on the level of KD/Kyrie. That's what SUPERSTARS can do, put them together and it's easy.

We don't have the guys with the mentality/skill to fight back. Hope I'm wrong, but that's what it's looking like.

Also, look at the intensity and anger they’re playing with. You can see it in Durant, kyrie, and griffin, but you can really see it in durants eyes. They’re not out there to just win, they want to humiliate them.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#292 » by BucksRule18 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 3:59 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yes, you can run more P&R with Giannis as the roll man, but all this does is keep waxing over the simple and problematic fact that we can't trust our best player with the ball in his hands. I said it earlier in the year and even at points during the Miami series, but this team is never going to win championship by turning Giannis into a glorified Clint Capella rim-runner or passive Ben Simmons facilitator. Scheme and role players are all just window-dressing criticisms that ignore the main problem. You need to do everything you can to try and pair Giannis with a 1A superstar or All-NBA level guard, but now we're sitting here with this capped out roster for the next 3-4 years because the front office looked at a guy like Jrue and said "good enough".

:dontknow:

I just have a hard time believing a 1A superstar will come to Milwaukee with Giannis fully engrained as the main guy on this team. I think it'll just turn into another Harden / Westbrook situation. I think someone with Steph Curry's personality may work well with Giannis, but that's never happening.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#293 » by Chad34 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:03 pm

BucksRule18 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Yes, you can run more P&R with Giannis as the roll man, but all this does is keep waxing over the simple and problematic fact that we can't trust our best player with the ball in his hands. I said it earlier in the year and even at points during the Miami series, but this team is never going to win championship by turning Giannis into a glorified Clint Capella rim-runner or passive Ben Simmons facilitator. Scheme and role players are all just window-dressing criticisms that ignore the main problem. You need to do everything you can to try and pair Giannis with a 1A superstar or All-NBA level guard, but now we're sitting here with this capped out roster for the next 3-4 years because the front office looked at a guy like Jrue and said "good enough".

:dontknow:

I just have a hard time believing a 1A superstar will come to Milwaukee with Giannis fully engrained as the main guy on this team. I think it'll just turn into another Harden / Westbrook situation. I think someone with Steph Curry's personality may work well with Giannis, but that's never happening.

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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#294 » by Siefer » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:04 pm

I was wrong after game 1. Yeah we lack a true point guard, yeah, Giannis is playing like a chicken with its heads cut off, and yeah we've shot like crap, but the complete collapse of even basic offensive structure, the lack of defensive communication, the **** checking line substitutions in a playoff game...it's coaching.

Everyone in the building knows Giannis is better off the ball. He knows it, and has said as much in interviews, but the second things get hairy, he defaults to hero-ball, and tries to 1v5. As a coach, you have to be able to reign in your players. I wish Giannis was a more level-headed guy out there, but I don't think we need "to talk about Giannis." Plenty of greats have been stubborn, easy to frustrate types (see his closest comp, Shaq), who needed to be kept on course.

Lopez has been your best player, almost fouled KD out game 1, and is unstoppable inside. Game 1 he plays 28 minutes. Game 2, he's floating on the perimeter the entire first quarter.

We've seen an entire season of Forbes/Portis lineups getting destroyed on defense. Game 2 was in peril as soon as we ran Forbes/Portis into Kyrie/KD, and then was done when we inexplicably doubled-down and ran Jrue/Teague/Forbes/Pat/Portis against their starters. I think it's clear what happened - the Forbes/Portis unit collapsed, and then Bud freaked out and ran the checking line group to "mix it up."

That 2-3 zone in the 3rd set off every alarm bell. That signaled panic, and I'm not sure this team as configured is recoverable if your coach ragdolls under duress.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#295 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:11 pm

Yeah when Marv Albert is making salient points about the **** schemes the Bucks are running that's how you know the coaching has completely failed.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#296 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:17 pm

i will never put this on the coach. decent players, at this level, in their **** late 20s and 30s dont even need a coach. nba coaches impact is a slight impact and it diminishes over time with any decent squad. there are rare exceptions where perhaps it matters more but only at the very highest levels in short bursts. they may influence culture somewhat too but even that starts with the players.

whats happening with us year after year has very little if anything to do with coaching. i get that if its a coach it gives us hope its fixable but whats happening with us AGAIN is not fixable. thats my opinion and i feel strongly about it
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Post#297 » by chonestown » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:17 pm

I was told KD was fragile. Hm.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#298 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:20 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:i will never put this on the coach. decent players, at this level, in their **** late 20s and 30s dont even need a coach.
While I don't think it's all Buds fault by any means it's absolutely time for a change if this series keeps going like this.

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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#299 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:26 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:i will never put this on the coach. decent players, at this level, in their **** late 20s and 30s dont even need a coach.
While I don't think it's all Buds fault by any means it's absolutely time for a change if this series keeps going like this.

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sure why not? just like bud was trying everything in the book with these chickens last night we should swap the coach around. maybe bring in a vet kind of guy like kidd with a better sense of a playbook. what these guys need is a heart and a brain. at least a coach can help with the heart for a minute maybe.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#300 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:30 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:As if this series does anything to change the fact that KD is one of the biggest loser mentality players in the history of basketball. All these guys (Kyrie, Harden, even Blake out there with his antics) love to puff their chests out and trash talk when they team up, not so much when they choke and can't cut it as "the guy" for their own franchises. The media and clowns like Jay Williams will keep giving them a pass because they love the super-team narrative and that's what the NBA thinks drives ratings. Hope they enjoy it while it lasts.

Yup. Durant as the guy in OKC, nothing. Harden as the guy in Houston, nothing. Irving as the guy in Boston, nothing. Blake as the guy in LA, nothing.
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