ATL - NBA to investigate Lowry/Ball deals for tampering, pg. 81

[soxperry]

I'm glad someone else brought up Simmons and Middleton swap, because I've been thinking about it all day.

The thing is you could justify a version of the deal if the Bucks win the title or if they don't. If they don't you can argue they've hit their peak with the current core and they need a younger second banana. If they win, the pressure is off and reloading is on the table.

A healthy Nets team and a young/up-and-coming Hawks team also give the Bucks permission to "reload" I think.

Like do we actually believe this or just using it as propaganda to support our trades? Maybe a more experienced Hunter and Reddish take them to the next level, but don't think they are close now and will be losing Collins, Sweet Lou and Gallo won't be playable come next playoffs. Feel they could be a bigger threat in 2 years if they play their cap space right when Gallo mostly comes off the books.

Idk, they are tricky, but i do feel like they have top 4 seed upside if they handle the roster correctly and Trae continues to progress.

[Ron Swanson]

Win or lose in the Finals, these playoffs have really illustrated to me the importance of having multiple high level perimeter shot-makers in your starting lineup. Our star player being a non-shooter just amplifies this, which is why I don't really care how good of a defender and passer Simmons is. He's just the worst possible fit on the Bucks. Defense would be suffocating, but my god would 4th quarters be even more stressful with how much of a nightmare the spacing and FT shooting is. Don't think you can construct a roster to win games scoring in the mid-90s in today's NBA.

[machu46]

Win or lose in the Finals, these playoffs have really illustrated to me the importance of having multiple high level perimeter shot-makers in your starting lineup. Our star player being a non-shooter just amplifies this, which is why I don't really care how good of a defender and passer Simmons is. He's just the worst possible fit on the Bucks. Defense would be suffocating, but my god would 4th quarters be even more stressful with how much of a nightmare the spacing and FT shooting is. Don't think you can construct a roster to win games scoring in the mid-90s in today's NBA.

I thought for sure you were arguing with nobody until I started to scroll up. What in the world?

[machu46]

three best perimeter defenders in the league on the same team

Doesn't Jerami Grant make more sense then? I guess I don't know if he is still a good defender or not, but if you did Lopez, Pat and Donte going out with Grant coming back, you could roll out a Jrue, Middleton, Grant, Tucker, Giannis line up and be incredibly versatile defensively.

I don't think Detroit is actually interested in trading Grant so much as everyone outside of Detroit wants them to trade him. Grant and Detroit's GM love each other. Both are Syracuse dudes and spent a few years in OKC together before ultimately linking up again in Detroit.

I'd love to have Grant but I think it would take a lot to pry him out of Detroit and we do not have the goods for that.

[ReasonablySober]

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[Licensed to Il]

Cool podcast with Sam Cassell and George Karl called "lostnbaseasons" with a look back on the 2001 Bucks. My favorite part was Cassell saying that if anyone got an offensive rebound and kicked it out for a made 3 pointer, Karl would give them $100 on the bus. Karl tried to deflect the question of why it all fell apart, but then took the opportunity to blame it all on Anthony Mason. Coach Karl said he went to management and requested they trade Mase or eat the contract, and was told "you asked for this, and you have to make it work." So thats on Karl for not knowing Mason's personality, and its on Kohl for gutting a team so close to the finals over money. Also an interesting tidbit that Ray Allen wanted a trade, and had already approached Kohl about it a few times. Sam seems like a real great guy. I was nostalgic, for sure. Karl must have had a stroke or something, he sounded like speech was difficult.

[SupremeHustle]

Cool podcast with Sam Cassell and George Karl called "lostnbaseasons" with a look back on the 2001 Bucks. My favorite part was Cassell saying that if anyone got an offensive rebound and kicked it out for a made 3 pointer, Karl would give them $100 on the bus. Karl tried to deflect the question of why it all fell apart, but then took the opportunity to blame it all on Anthony Mason. Coach Karl said he went to management and requested they trade Mase or eat the contract, and was told "you asked for this, and you have to make it work." So thats on Karl for not knowing Mason's personality, and its on Kohl for gutting a team so close to the finals over money. Also an interesting tidbit that Ray Allen wanted a trade, and had already approached Kohl about it a few times. Sam seems like a real great guy. I was nostalgic, for sure. Karl must have had a stroke or something, he sounded like speech was difficult.

I had no idea Ray wanted out. Seems like I've heard him say otherwise. I could just be imagining that, though.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, Ray could have certainly wanted out after the Mason trade/subsequent locker room implosion and I don't think anyone would blame him, but I wouldn't put it past Karl to straight up fabricate that tidbit considering he was angling to get his guy Payton here in the first place.

[Licensed to Il]

I mean, Ray could have certainly wanted out after the Mason trade/subsequent locker room implosion and I don't think anyone would blame him, but I wouldn't put it past Karl to straight up fabricate that tidbit considering he was angling to get his guy Payton here in the first place.

Ray was always a guy that went out of his way to compliment Milwaukee and the fans, if its true that he eventually did get to a place where he wanted to go elsewhere I certainly don't blame him. Kohl was a bone head and Karl sometimes coached and coddled in some odd ways.

I always got the vibe that Karl was a guy that would lie, if need be. I don't really suspect he is in this case.

When a trade goes as poorly as that particular one did, everyone is going to try to dodge blame.

[JayMKE]

I don’t think Karl is a reliable source, not the type of guy that takes blame for things.

[MikeIsGood]

Sure, blame the dead guy.

[Licensed to Il]

Sure, blame the dead guy.

The first best Anthony Mason story is that once he was asked what he would do when he retired, and he answered "criminal justice.. I just haven't decided which side"

The second best Anthony Mason story is that he was rumored to have a death grudge/beef with Biggie over some girl they were both seeing. And this was significantly either was nationally known, so we are talking some random lady from Brooklyn.

The third best Anthony Mason story is that he got invited to some photo shoot with the Beastie Boys, and there was a hoop there, and they decided to play and Mase had to get rough because the Beasties thought they could score on him.

The worst Anthony Mason story is that George Karl brought him in to replace Scott Williams (a team first, glue guy) and Mase was fat, couldn't jump, thought he was still a star, and my favorite team imploded.

[MikeIsGood]

If Reddit is any indication, the entire basketball world outside of Phoenix and the media is pulling for us because of unified hatred of Paul, Booker, Crowder, and their whininess and flopping.

[Badgerlander]

Cool podcast with Sam Cassell and George Karl called "lostnbaseasons" with a look back on the 2001 Bucks. My favorite part was Cassell saying that if anyone got an offensive rebound and kicked it out for a made 3 pointer, Karl would give them $100 on the bus. Karl tried to deflect the question of why it all fell apart, but then took the opportunity to blame it all on Anthony Mason. Coach Karl said he went to management and requested they trade Mase or eat the contract, and was told "you asked for this, and you have to make it work." So thats on Karl for not knowing Mason's personality, and its on Kohl for gutting a team so close to the finals over money. Also an interesting tidbit that Ray Allen wanted a trade, and had already approached Kohl about it a few times. Sam seems like a real great guy. I was nostalgic, for sure. Karl must have had a stroke or something, he sounded like speech was difficult.

I had no idea Ray wanted out. Seems like I've heard him say otherwise. I could just be imagining that, though.

I thought it was Ray going to ownership with get rid of Karl or trade me.

[Ron Swanson]

So what's with all this weird crap about the Kings having to rebuff rumors about trading De'Aaron Fox? Why on earth would they do that in the first place?

[M-C-G]

Cool podcast with Sam Cassell and George Karl called "lostnbaseasons" with a look back on the 2001 Bucks. My favorite part was Cassell saying that if anyone got an offensive rebound and kicked it out for a made 3 pointer, Karl would give them $100 on the bus. Karl tried to deflect the question of why it all fell apart, but then took the opportunity to blame it all on Anthony Mason. Coach Karl said he went to management and requested they trade Mase or eat the contract, and was told "you asked for this, and you have to make it work." So thats on Karl for not knowing Mason's personality, and its on Kohl for gutting a team so close to the finals over money. Also an interesting tidbit that Ray Allen wanted a trade, and had already approached Kohl about it a few times. Sam seems like a real great guy. I was nostalgic, for sure. Karl must have had a stroke or something, he sounded like speech was difficult.

I had no idea Ray wanted out. Seems like I've heard him say otherwise. I could just be imagining that, though.

I thought it was Ray going to ownership with get rid of Karl or trade me.

He definitely had a lot of beef with Karl, so this actually sounds way more likely to me than the idea of him wanting a different market or anything like that.

[BroncoBuck]

So what's with all this weird crap about the Kings having to rebuff rumors about trading De'Aaron Fox? Why on earth would they do that in the first place?

They were on the list of teams that want Simmons. That swap makes sense for both teams. I’d ask for another piece in return if I was them though. I think there is a non-zero chance some in the Kings org see Haliburton as the team’s future pg. Fox’s big extension starts next season.

[M-C-G]

So what's with all this weird crap about the Kings having to rebuff rumors about trading De'Aaron Fox? Why on earth would they do that in the first place?

They were on the list of teams that want Simmons. That swap makes sense for both teams. I’d ask for another piece in return if I was them though. I think there is a non-zero chance some in the Kings org see Haliburton as the team’s future pg. Fox’s big extension starts next season.

Also wouldn't shock me if Fox's agent was out there trying to drum up interest around the league to get Fox out of there.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm a big Tyrese Haliburton guy but he seems like he's getting really overrated really quickly. Also don't see how him and Fox can't play together in the same backcourt. But the Kings can't do anything right so maybe they'd actually trade him and watch him turn into a multi-time All-Star elsewhere. If they want Simmons then the Sixers can have any combination of Hield, Barnes, Bagley, and the #9 pick, but Fox would be an absolute non-starter for me.

[Pachinko_]

Funny there's no "around the league" anymore. Ha. Cancun mother ****!