Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[Ron Swanson]

Beyond him being a **** weirdo/distraction, you can't trust him at all to stay on the court. He's "back" which hey, great for him after it looked like injuries were gonna force him to retire, but he's playing 13-MPG right now because that's all his body can handle. Throw in that you're on the hook for $17 mil next season as well, and it's a hard pass from me dawg.

[German Athens]

We should call about Grimes. He’s having a rough start to the year, but I trust his shot, ability to attack a close out, and perimeter D.

[crowhead76]

Marjon and 2027 2nd for Grimes? Does that get it done.

Then Pat, AJ Green and the 2024 2nd for Thybulle.

Sign Wenyen Gabriel

Gabriel would have been a nice player to throw at Randle to disrupt his rhythm last night, a type of player that his roster does not currently have.


Lillard | Payne
Beasley | Grimes | AJJ
Middleton | Thybulle | Livingston
Giannis | Crowder | Gabriel | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

[MiltownHawkeye]

I think there’s maybe a path to getting Tari Eason and Jonathon Isaac for Bobby and Pat.

Bucks
Eason
Isaac

Magic
Patty
Jock

Rockets
Bobby

Not sure what tiny filler/pick consideration (if any) would be needed.


Question is trading 2 good vibes vets who’ve been there for the chip for 1 young, unproven guy and 1 distinctly bad vibes guy, albeit ultra talented if he recommitted to ball. Tough call for us, I think.

Yeah you lost me at Jonathan Isaac

Bobby was a buy-low guy, too.

I'd have plenty of reservations about Isaac, but you can't ignore what he could bring, either.

In terms of basketball fit, even in 15 MPG, I think he'd be more than fine. But I legitimately can't think of a less likable player in the league that hasn't committed any crimes. I'd take Smart on this team on any day, I never cared about Grayson or Delly, was completely indifferent about Leonard, but I would have a really hard time rooting for a team with Isaac on it.

[tedbrogen]

Marjon and 2027 2nd for Grimes? Does that get it done.

Then Pat, AJ Green and the 2024 2nd for Thybulle.

Sign Wenyen Gabriel

Gabriel would have been a nice player to throw at Randle to disrupt his rhythm last night, a type of player that his roster does not currently have.


Lillard | Payne
Beasley | Grimes | AJJ
Middleton | Thybulle | Livingston
Giannis | Crowder | Gabriel | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

Knicks don’t go for that. Grimes is in Thibs circle of trust. He’s starting despite the struggles. They won’t move him unless it’s in a package for a superstar.imo

[midranger]

Isaac would be a phenomenal fit for us defensively, but he’d be a massive risk.

My biggest concern is his will to even be on the court. Then there’s the injuries and off-court stuff - it’s a tough sell.

If he fully bought in though, what he could add to this team would be a dream. High risk, high reward.

This was my exact thinking.

Additionally, his 2024-2025 contract is completely non-guaranteed I believe if he doesn’t work out.

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/jonathan-isaac-free-agency/#:~:text=2023%2D24%20is%20guaranteed%20for,relief%20if%20Isaac%20is%20waived.

He’s a significant ceiling raiser. Not sure how much Patty is bringing at this point, but he has been a fairly reliable playoff 7th-8th man. That’s the downside risk, and the reason the Magic may be interested at all.

[German Athens]

Isaac would be a phenomenal fit for us defensively, but he’d be a massive risk.

My biggest concern is his will to even be on the court. Then there’s the injuries and off-court stuff - it’s a tough sell.

If he fully bought in though, what he could add to this team would be a dream. High risk, high reward.

This was my exact thinking.

Additionally, his 2024-2025 contract is completely non-guaranteed I believe if he doesn’t work out.

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/jonathan-isaac-free-agency/#:~:text=2023%2D24%20is%20guaranteed%20for,relief%20if%20Isaac%20is%20waived.

He’s a significant ceiling raiser. Not sure how much Patty is bringing at this point, but he has been a fairly reliable playoff 7th-8th man. That’s the downside risk, and the reason the Magic may be interested at all.

If it was just Bobby for him, I’d be more into it, but my biggest issue is probably the opportunity cost.

It would take both of our mid-tier tradable salaries in pat and Bobby just to be able to bring him back. After that, we’d have rookie contracts and minimums to trade outside our top 4 guys. That just compounds the risk, and we’d still have serious perimeter defensive questions with even fewer assets to improve.

[Frank Nova]

Marjon and 2027 2nd for Grimes? Does that get it done.

Then Pat, AJ Green and the 2024 2nd for Thybulle.

Sign Wenyen Gabriel

Gabriel would have been a nice player to throw at Randle to disrupt his rhythm last night, a type of player that his roster does not currently have.


Lillard | Payne
Beasley | Grimes | AJJ
Middleton | Thybulle | Livingston
Giannis | Crowder | Gabriel | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

Knicks don’t go for that. Grimes is in Thibs circle of trust. He’s starting despite the struggles. They won’t move him unless it’s in a package for a superstar.imo

I love the idea but it’s hard to see Marjon having that type of value. He would have to string together a fair amount of consistent games to really boost his value and at that point he’d probably just trick us all into believing he finally turned the corner and we’d likely hold him instead of sell high(er). Grimes has Danny Green 3D potential and I think a lot of teams know that already even through his rough start to this season. He showed way more last year than Marjon has so far. There’s a pretty big gap in value there that a 2nd round pick 4yrs from now probably isn’t going to fill.

On the flip side, Marjon is probably at best a Divincenzo type trade candidate at this point. Someone we’re gonna discard just to essentially discard and likely receive a washed up vet in return for. I don’t like that idea either. We’re gonna let Marjon sink or swim I think especially considering that DDV eventually turned into a solid player. MAYBE the same can happen for Marjon in the future? I’m skeptical but it’s certainly not impossible.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think anyone's deluding themselves into thinking Marjon has a ton of value, but we're talking about Quentin Grimes here. I like the guy and would make that swap, but he's a Tony Snell/Royce O'neal usage dude. Just cuz Thibs likes him and maybe overrates him doesn't mean that he's super valuable.

[ReddoverKobe]

I've tossed Pat in a lot of trades over the last few years, I dont think hes getting moved at this point. I think he brings a lot to the team off the court we dont see or value.

Unless its like a no brainer giant upgrade that is.

[German Athens]

I don’t really know why we’d concern ourselves too much with usage with a guy like Grimes.

I also think usage-wise he’s more the midpoint between snell/O’Neal and Wes matthews/Gary harris. I really want a Wes replacement, and grimes may be able to give us a lot of that.

He’s 23, and in his third season where it’s very possible we see a slight jump in ability. Factor in the completely inept spacing on New York these past couple seasons (rotation dudes who do absolutely nothing of value outside: mitchell, hartenstein, Randle, barrett, hart), and I’d take the bet on his shooting percentages improving here both outside and at the rim with ample spacing, and even if his usage remains the same, that could be of nice value.

One stat that stands out to me is that he shot 75% within 3 feet last year, with our spacing that percentage very possibly may jump, and the ability to shoot and then also finish at the rim isn’t something we’ve often had on the bucks.

My question with grimes is just really how good of a defender is he/how good can he become. I’ve generally liked his physicality on the perimeter, and the way he navigates screens - if he could be Wes for us that would be huge, but he’s likely lacking the physical tools to be anything more than that.

Edit: Beasley’s usage has been 14% with us this year which is Grimes career average thus far.

[ShootingtheJ]

I could easily see Marjon being a better player than Grimes. Heck, he's having the better season of the 2 this year, though Grimes shot it better last year.

[Badgerlander]

Still think Vanderbilt would be interesting. He only makes $4.6 mil this year

[crowhead76]

Still think Vanderbilt would be interesting. He only makes $4.6 mil this year

Can he be traded this year after he signed his extension?

[Shaffty]

Bobby/Marjon/2024 portland 2nd

for

Hartenstien/Grimes from the knicks

[BroncoBuck]

If we’re interested in swapping Marjon for another first round disappointment/change of scenery candidate, I like Ziaire Williams in Memphis.

Marjon+RoLo for Ziaire works financially.

[BroncoBuck]

I just checked on Griff’s son’s stats this year and he is having a terrible Joe Alexander sophomore season. Wow.

[emunney]

I just checked on Griff’s son’s stats this year (obviously the off court stuff was horrible this offseason not getting into that), but he is having a terrible Joe Alexander sophomore season. Wow.

Just for reference, the off court stuff I think you're noting here was with Alan Griffin, who played with us in SL this year, not with AJ.

[German Athens]

Yeah, I have no idea what happened to AJ. He had a really promising rookie season.

[engelmartin]

Yeah, I have no idea what happened to AJ. He had a really promising rookie season.

They should never have let his dad become a head coach