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ReasonablySober wrote:Bernman wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
He should be. He played 146 games between the Big 12 and Big 10, and he's two weeks from turning 24.ReasonablySober wrote:There's no such thing as a win now draft pick.
Yea, if only the league were made up of nothing but 19-22 year olds that Shannon pick might help win a few games.
Bernman wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:Bernman wrote:
Yea, if only the league were made up of nothing but 19-22 year olds that Shannon pick might help win a few games.
He's better & more ready than all the other draft picks is now the acknowledgement.
ReasonablySober wrote:He's still going to be a negative.
You have no clue. Good chance both our pick and Shannon will be a negative.ReasonablySober wrote:Bernman wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
Yea, if only the league were made up of nothing but 19-22 year olds that Shannon pick might help win a few games.
He's better & more ready than all the other draft picks is now the acknowledgement.
He's still going to be a negative.
Ron Swanson wrote:We just did this exercise not that long ago, where we looked at any rookies that had any sort of significant playoff role (at least 15-20 minutes) for a championship team and the answer was not surprisingly, zero. Even lowered the bar to "Finals teams" and it was basically two guys in the last 15-20 years. Tyler Herro in the bubble playoffs (would have technically been his 2nd year under normal circumstances) and Courtney Lee way back in 2009.
Bernman wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:We just did this exercise not that long ago, where we looked at any rookies that had any sort of significant playoff role (at least 15-20 minutes) for a championship team and the answer was not surprisingly, zero. Even lowered the bar to "Finals teams" and it was basically two guys in the last 15-20 years. Tyler Herro in the bubble playoffs (would have technically been his 2nd year under normal circumstances) and Courtney Lee way back in 2009.
That's not an argument. They don't go to the championship teams on average. Often they don't even have their own 1sts. Boston didn't have theirs last yr. We didn't have ours when we won.
As if Duncan wouldn't have contributed to a championship team or Jacquez last yr if he was on the Celtics. Sam Hauser contributed.
Saying there's no such thing as a win now is indefensible. He pushed the notion cuz he's insistent on theoretical upside swings, which he got, & there's an outside chance he even contributes now. It's just a lower % than Shannon, by his own admission.
WeMajor34 wrote:Per Mike Scotto:
“Free agent guard Landry Shamet has received exploratory interest from the Milwaukee Bucks”
“Shamet, a career 38.4 percent 3-point shooter, played for Bucks coach Doc Rivers for two seasons with the Clippers. Milwaukee has previously added two former players Rivers coached, including Patrick Beverley and Danilo Gallinari.”
Bernman wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:We just did this exercise not that long ago, where we looked at any rookies that had any sort of significant playoff role (at least 15-20 minutes) for a championship team and the answer was not surprisingly, zero. Even lowered the bar to "Finals teams" and it was basically two guys in the last 15-20 years. Tyler Herro in the bubble playoffs (would have technically been his 2nd year under normal circumstances) and Courtney Lee way back in 2009.
That's not an argument. They don't go to the championship teams on average. Often they don't even have their own 1sts. Boston didn't have theirs last yr. We didn't have ours when we won.
As if Duncan wouldn't have contributed to a championship team or Jacquez last yr if he was on the Celtics. They were playing guys like Hauser, Tillman, & Kornet.
Lively contributed to a Finals' team just last yr. So I don't know what you're talking about excluding him from that list.
Saying there's no such thing as a win now is indefensible. He pushed the notion cuz he's insistent on theoretical upside swings, which he got, & there's an outside chance he even contributes now. It's just a lower % than Shannon, by his own admission.
Ron Swanson wrote:We just did this exercise not that long ago, where we looked at any rookies that had any sort of significant playoff role (at least 15-20 minutes) for a championship team and the answer was not surprisingly, zero. Even lowered the bar to "Finals teams" and it was basically two guys in the last 15-20 years. Tyler Herro in the bubble playoffs (would have technically been his 2nd year under normal circumstances) and Courtney Lee way back in 2009.
Ron Swanson wrote:That's literally the entire argument. We're a championship aspiring team picking in the 20's and decades worth of data tells you that it's pretty much a guarantee that no one you pick there is gonna contribute in any meaningful way as a rookie towards the goal of actually winning a championship. Now, if you wanna say that you'd trust Shannon or Baylor Scheierman more than AJ Johnson to give you 10-15 minutes of decent enough rotation production in the 2024-25 regular season, then sure. But thinking any late-1st rookie is gonna be an impact playoff dude 12-months after making the jump from college is a pipe dream. Like, Jaime Jacquez was terrible in the playoffs.
jute2003 wrote:Yeah,fansinceforever wrote:It's worth mentioning this team was every bit as bad in March and April as they were in Oct, Nov and December.
Dame isn't Jrue . . .
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
midranger wrote:It’s also SUPER weird that someone would assume that SL teams are made up exclusively of 19-22 year olds.
For instance, the Pelicans Summer League team (the team Shannon was playing against) has exactly 1 guy younger than 22. More 25 year olds than 22 year olds and a 26 year old for good measure.
He was playing with his age cohort (or older). Another swing a miss. Again, just gotta confirm those priors.
