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Post#281 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:12 pm

German Athens wrote:I wouldn’t give up much for Wiggins, but I’d be fine bringing him here. ‘26 swap would be fine. I think we’ll beat Miami in the standings, so that’s nothing.

Now that we’re this far under the apron, we should really force a team to give us assets for taking on bad salary.


How are we acquiring this bad salary?
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Post#282 » by KendallMarshall » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:14 pm

Please just don't sign Russell Westbrook...
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Post#283 » by blazza18 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:16 pm

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drone3 wrote:Kuz is back up to Giannis. Its honestly fine, if he finds his shot and guard the wing he can play the 3


Bobby will get 25-30 mpg, so will Turner, GA will get mid 30s, that’s already more than enough to cover the 96 minutes for the 4/5. When one of them is out or resting, Sims fills the gap. No need for Kuz as a GA backup. Which is why you move him for an actual SF.



Ding ding ding. There’s no role for him with how the team is built.
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Post#284 » by Licensed to Il » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:17 pm

Turner is going to be such an impactful two way player for us, and all be really has to do is hit open looks, attack close outs, and protect the rim (all stuff be does well).

We (fanbase) don’t deserve Giannis. I know he has flaws (perimeter shooting, FTs). But his willingness to stick around and build from scratch is so antithetical to every other NBA star.

We have a lot riding on Kevin Porter Jr, but this is a great situation for him (lead guard, secondary creator, lots of space).

Horst has balls, no denying that. Stretching Dame was a hard reset. Convincing GA to stick around wouldn’t have been simple.

I loved the idea a few pages back of chasing a package of Herb Jones and Alvarado.
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Post#285 » by emunney » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:18 pm

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SupremeHustle wrote:When is the earliest we can trade Turner? Dude preferring to stay in Indy then only signing with MKE for the dough has me Greg Monroe concerned.

What else was he supposed to do when Indy wouldn’t pay him? Accept way below market value from a team that has been trying to trade him forever?


Did I say he wasn't supposed to take the money? Let me check my post...

... ... ...

Nope. I did not.

I asked when is the earliest he can be traded.


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Post#286 » by emunney » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:19 pm

blazza18 wrote:
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drone3 wrote:Kuz is back up to Giannis. Its honestly fine, if he finds his shot and guard the wing he can play the 3


Bobby will get 25-30 mpg, so will Turner, GA will get mid 30s, that’s already more than enough to cover the 96 minutes for the 4/5. When one of them is out or resting, Sims fills the gap. No need for Kuz as a GA backup. Which is why you move him for an actual SF.



Ding ding ding. There’s no role for him with how the team is built.


The role is stand wide open at the 3 point line and launch cannonballs off the heel of the rim.
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Post#287 » by emunney » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:23 pm

Horst learned from the best.

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Post#288 » by fansinceforever » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:24 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:KPJ
Trent Jr.
Kuzma (yuck)
Giannis
Turner

Is that what people expect the starting 5 to look like as of how the roster currently stands?


I kind of expect the unit that showed in the playoffs and for the Bucks to emulate what the Pacers did.

KPJ
Green
Trent Jr.
Giannis
Turner

I'd bet that unit is actually pretty damn good defensively too.
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Post#289 » by WeMajor34 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:32 pm

Can’t roll into the season with KPJ as our lone ball handling guard. Something’s gotta give. Giannis is going to be our true PG but I’d like another person to be able to dribble the ball besides Giannis and KPJ.

Would not be shocked if we were talking to any of Westbrook, Brogdon, Cory Joseph, Exum, Dinwiddie, etc.
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Post#290 » by pifhluk23 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:33 pm

Damn did I read correctly that we are letting Rollins go? Really wanted to bring him back.
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Post#291 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:36 pm

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GoldenAntlers wrote:KPJ
Trent Jr.
Kuzma (yuck)
Giannis
Turner

Is that what people expect the starting 5 to look like as of how the roster currently stands?


I kind of expect the unit that showed in the playoffs and for the Bucks to emulate what the Pacers did.

KPJ
Green
Trent Jr.
Giannis
Turner

I'd bet that unit is actually pretty damn good defensively too.


Can Trent guard 3s? Can Green? I think we need a 6'7", 6'8" 3 and D guy for that spot.
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Post#292 » by skbucks1985 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:36 pm

I think it'll be tough to get Wiggins for just Kuzma and Micic and I don't think a pick swap for next season will do the trick either. The rationales for why I think the Heat could do it are if everything they're saying about Ware is largely a smokescreen and they plan on Bam at the 5 being their primary lineup then Kuzma has more value to them than I think he does now. The other is that Kuzma is signed through 2 more seasons while Wiggins has a player option next summer which I would guess he opts out of because even though I doubt he gets 30 per year, which is what he'd be scheduled to make in the last year of his contract, he can probably still get a substantial multi-year contract which may not be the case in 27. I don't know if that's an advantage or disadvantage for the Heat.

My guess is Kuzma is on the team to start next season and the Bucks move him at the deadline to a team that is falling short of expectations and ends up being sellers at the trade deadline.
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Post#293 » by Swan Vox » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:39 pm

How has Brogdon looked the past few years? That guy was always a smart player who hit big shots in pressure situations. Wouldn’t mind him back if he’s healthy & still got juice in the tank.
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Post#294 » by BUCKnation » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:41 pm

Swan Vox wrote:How has Brogdon looked the past few years? That guy was always a smart player who hit big shots in pressure situations. Wouldn’t mind him back if he’s healthy & still got juice in the tank.

He’s been good when he actually plays, but he’s been in street clothes more than jerseys
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Post#295 » by AussieBuck » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:42 pm

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Post#296 » by M-C-G » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:44 pm

Swan Vox wrote:How has Brogdon looked the past few years? That guy was always a smart player who hit big shots in pressure situations. Wouldn’t mind him back if he’s healthy & still got juice in the tank.


The player would be a good add but felt like he didn’t jive with the team while he was here. Not sure if that is a fair opinion but if Giannis says yes and he takes a min then for sure.
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Post#297 » by tedbrogen » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:44 pm

skbucks1985 wrote:I think it'll be tough to get Wiggins for just Kuzma and Micic and I don't think a pick swap for next season will do the trick either. The rationales for why I think the Heat could do it are if everything they're saying about Ware is largely a smokescreen and they plan on Bam at the 5 being their primary lineup then Kuzma has more value to them than I think he does now. The other is that Kuzma is signed through 2 more seasons while Wiggins has a player option next summer which I would guess he opts out of because even though I doubt he gets 30 per year, which is what he'd be scheduled to make in the last year of his contract, he can probably still get a substantial multi-year contract which may not be the case in 27. I don't know if that's an advantage or disadvantage for the Heat.

My guess is Kuzma is on the team to start next season and the Bucks move him at the deadline to a team that is falling short of expectations and ends up being sellers at the trade deadline.


You don’t have to pair another player with Kuz to trade him for Wiggins. You can save Miami $5M+ in salary this season and send them $7M+ in cash. Their owner is cheap. They might do Kuz/Cash/26swap for Wiggins
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Post#298 » by Wisky4life » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:47 pm

I would even trade Kuzma for Midds at this point.

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Post#299 » by jimmybones » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:48 pm

With our limited assets to acquire talent and uncertainty if we could even keep our free agents…

A few days ago I wouldn’t have minded seeing the KPJ, Trent, Green, Giannis, Bobby unit get an extended look, we can do that with a really good and better fitting big man.

I wouldn’t mind taking our time to find the right Kuzma plus 31 move because it’s kinda our last bullet. More important we find the right move than rush or force it.
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Post#300 » by Ruben Quevedo » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:48 pm

I can't really knock the media for ripping the Bucks. We have (and will have for a while) a very bare cupboard in terms of assets and our roster still has significant holes. I appreciate that we're trying to make this work for Giannis but when you're trading 2nd round picks 6 and 7 years from now just to get off a bad contract so that you can sign someone who's gettable only because you agreed to eat 23 million of dead money for 5 years...it's an absolute indictment of our front office that we are in this situation.

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