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europa · Post #281 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:28 pm

I can't think of too many PG tandems worse than Ridnour/Jennings. Given how strongly Hammond has preached about the importance of the PG position, it would surprise me if he gutted his own so badly without needing to.

Clip34life · Post #282 » by **Clip34life** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:29 pm

MajorDad wrote:I can't believe the bucks would really want a draft pick as part of any sign and trade for Sessions. realistically , the Bucks will have a high lottery pick and a high second round pick next year. they really don't need any more draft picks. i also highly doubt the Clippers would be willing to give up their first round pick. they are no guarantee to make the play-offs next year. it would be a stupid move on their part to give up a draft pick as part of a sign and trade deal for Sessions.

looking at the Clippers' team, i have to ask - reality check - why are they even in the Sessions bidding at all? they already have baron Davis - who nobody is going to take off their hands. they have eric gordon at Sg. they now have telfair. and they have mardy Collins - a young point guard . i can't understand why the Clippers would even make an offer unless they were just trying to get the bucks to give sessions a bigger contract. normally a team makes an offer if it intends to actually use the player. i can't see the Clippers using sessions at all. there is no need or hole to fill.

Telfair is not a 6th man type of PG. He's adequate. Mardy Collins sucks. Baron Davis is mercurial and injury prone. Answered.

BDUB_30 · Post #283 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:32 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Jennings or Ridnour/Redd/LRMAM/Camby/Bogut would be the worst offensive starting five in the NBA.

Who cares , were rebuilding .... Getting DG off the books one year sooner and only giving up a backup pg to do it makes us that much better that much sooner .

Im failing to see how having jennings / redd /moute / camby/ bogut as our starting five is any worse then what our projected current starting 5 is - Jennings / redd / moute/ja / amir / bogut .

In fact . putting camby into the starting 5 at the cost of backup Pg Ramon Sessions makes our starting 5 so much better .

You clearly argue to argue .

BDUB_30 · Post #284 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:33 pm

europa wrote:I can't think of too many PG tandems worse than Ridnour/Jennings. Given how strongly Hammond has preached about the importance of the PG position, it would surprise me if he gutted his own so badly without needing to.

Right cause Jennings / Sessions is leaps and bounds better . :lol:

europa · Post #285 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:35 pm

BDUB_30 wrote:
europa wrote:I can't think of too many PG tandems worse than Ridnour/Jennings. Given how strongly Hammond has preached about the importance of the PG position, it would surprise me if he gutted his own so badly without needing to.

Right cause Jennings / Sessions is leaps and bounds better .

You're correct. Sessions is leaps and bounds better than Ridnour. I'm glad you're finally seeing the light.

LUKE23 · Post #286 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:35 pm

Who cares , were rebuilding .... Getting DG off the books one year sooner and only giving up a backup pg to do it makes us that much better that much sooner .

1. Sessions isn't a backup
2. Gadzuric's contract cleared still doesn't allow us to be FA players in 2010. You have to clear Redd to do that.

Im failing to see how having jennings / redd /moute / camby/ bogut as our starting five is any worse then what our projected current starting 5 is - Jennings / redd / moute/ja / amir / bogut .

Sessions if he was re-signed would start at PG. He was the starter to end the season and he has experience on Jennings. It would be a better starting five with Sessions because he can actually score 15-17 per game, and the starting five is still plenty strong defensively. JA isn't starting either, no chance.

In fact . putting camby into the starting 5 at the cost of backup Pg Ramon Sessions makes our starting 5 so much better .

No, it really doesn't. Rebounding will not be an issue for this roster as it stands. Camby adds another shotblocking threat, but it also makes the team worse offensively overall (and Camby is 35, my guess is he's in for one of his glorious 50 game seasons).

BDUB_30 · Post #287 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:37 pm

europa wrote:
BDUB_30 wrote:
europa wrote:I can't think of too many PG tandems worse than Ridnour/Jennings. Given how strongly Hammond has preached about the importance of the PG position, it would surprise me if he gutted his own so badly without needing to.

Right cause Jennings / Sessions is leaps and bounds better .

You're correct. Sessions is leaps and bounds better than Ridnour. I'm glad you're finally seeing the light.

He didnt beat out lowly luke ridnour for the starting job last year , you said he would last year as well .

Now youre telling us he would beat out ridnour AND jennings ? Its hilarious to me ..

LUKE23 · Post #288 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:39 pm

He didnt beat out lowly luke ridnour for the starting job last year , you said he would last year as well .

Seems to me he was starting down the stretch. And Jennings is a rookie, he's not guaranteed to start just because you like him.

thetown · Post #289 » by **thetown** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:41 pm

Although most NBA team moves don't make sense to me, I just can't see why the Clippers would offer Sessions anything approaching max mle money simply because it ruins their 2010 cap room. If I do the math correctly, if they make a few moves they should be able to make a max type offer and could possibly land someone like Joe Johnson or try to add talent through "roster flexibility". If everything comes together for the Clipps this season, they could be close to being "one player away", and signing Sessions would ruin their best chance of getting that guy.

BDUB_30 · Post #290 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:41 pm

[quote="LUKE23"]

1. Sessions isn't a backup
2. Gadzuric's contract cleared still doesn't allow us to be FA players in 2010. You have to clear Redd to do that.

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1. Yes he is ...See my last post in this thread .. He was awarded the starting job by default , ridnour was beat down all season .

2. 7.5 millon off the books would put us in good position especially if the reports are true about the cap coming down which would obviously force the salaries down . You would honestly rather have DG On the books ?

europa · Post #291 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:42 pm

BDUB_30 wrote:
He didnt beat out lowly luke ridnour for the starting job last year , you said he would last year as well .

Now youre telling us he would beat out ridnour AND jennings ? Its hilarious to me ..

He didn't relinquish the starting job once he took it in the second half of the season. If Ridnour was better, he would have proven it by taking his job back. But he didn't. Sessions also outproduced Ridnour by a significant margin despite being handicapped by not having the team's two best players to work with, a luxury Ridnour had much of the time when he was a starter. Given how Jennings hasn't played an NBA game yet and by many estimations is 2-3 years away from being ready to start, it's hardly a reach to project Sessions as the team's starter next season if he's re-signed.

LUKE23 · Post #292 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:42 pm

2. 7.5 millon off the books would put us in good position especially if the reports are true about the cap coming down which would obviously force the salaries down . You would honestly rather have DG On the books ?

No, I would rather have him gone, but not for Sessions to get one year of broken down Camby.

raferfenix · Post #293 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:43 pm

BDUB_30 wrote:Gad + Ramon for Marcus would be amazing ...getting out from under that contract for next year would really put us in good shape .

Watching Camby and bogut play together with moute at the 3 would be something else . Imagine a lineup of bj / bell / moute / camby / bogut . I know , that lineup wouldnt score . But in the nba coaches like lineups that can change the tempo of the game and that lineup would without a doubt change the tempo , u could insert offense back into the lineup when you rattled the other teams confidence after you force some misses ...

I would really like to see this team aquire a 2 with great atheltism that can fill the lanes and finish about the rim . Meeks is a wondefull shooter and he does seem pretty smart going to the basket so he might be able to fill that roll ...

Exciting time for bucks fans ...Im really into the idea of building a team that can defend 1-5 and im very pleased with BJ's defense in the summer leauge .. some of the quickest hands at the 1 ive seen for the bucks ..

I'm a major Sessions fan, but even with that I can see this becoming a move that we would make. This is especially because even if Camby is a one year rental, we would gain a ton of flexibility next offseason due to our superior financial situation where we could upgrade through trade (in addition to resigning him---it's not necessarily ordained that he'd leave).

However, what puts it over the top is that our team would be a ton improved on the court. If we are one of the best defensive teams in the league we will find ways to win games. Camby would be a great fit on our team especially since he'd also help ignite our fast break.

Our style of play would be wholly changed, we win a lot of games, and we'd have financial flexibility for the future. The key would be for us to use that flexibility to make aggressive moves to continue to improve. Specifically, we would definitely need to have a successful Redd trade, which will become much easier as he proves that he's healthy and gets closer to being an ending contract.

If we plan on doing that, even if Sessions has a lot of success, I can definitely see this kind of sign and trade as the best way for us to go.

BDUB_30 · Post #294 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:46 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
He didnt beat out lowly luke ridnour for the starting job last year , you said he would last year as well .

Seems to me he was starting down the stretch. And Jennings is a rookie, he's not guaranteed to start just because you like him.

by default , luke was banged up bad all year .. It doesnt take a rocket science to see this team isnt very high on Ramon sessions .. No contract offer being made , explored trades involving him last year , rumored to be exploring trades NOW , didnt even DRESS to start the season last year , and then we draft a pg ...

Your dilema excists in direct porportion to overvaluing box scores and failing to understand this game is played on the hardwood and not on paper . When Ramon isnt a buck , what will you say then ?

LUKE23 · Post #295 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:54 pm

Your dilema excists in direct porportion to overvaluing box scores and failing to understand this game is played on the hardwood and not on paper . When Ramon isnt a buck , what will you say then ?

No, I have no dilemma, I just disagree with you.

UWM_Brew_Buck · Post #296 » by **UWM_Brew_Buck** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:54 pm

Wow some people really like Sessions here a lot more than I thought. If we can get rid of GADZ and get Camby for a 1 year rental I think that would be a steal. Having Sessions and Jennings in the same backcourt would not be good for either player. If you can sign Sessions for a good deal than keep him there's no point in letting him walk for free. If you can get rid of GADZ for him by all means please Hammond do not hesitate.

LUKE23 · Post #297 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:57 pm

Why do people think losing Gadzuric for one year outweighs what Sessions can actually bring to the team? We're still not doing anything until we move Redd.

BDUB_30 · Post #298 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:06 pm

europa wrote:
BDUB_30 wrote:
He didnt beat out lowly luke ridnour for the starting job last year , you said he would last year as well .

Now youre telling us he would beat out ridnour AND jennings ? Its hilarious to me ..

He didn't relinquish the starting job once he took it in the second half of the season. If Ridnour was better, he would have proven it by taking his job back..

You recreate what happend to support your own personal opionons .

Ridnour busted up his thumb back in feb , ramon was starting games in replacement of Mike Redd playing 2 guard , alot of his starts were at the position ..The broken thumb offered ramon opportunies to start at the one ...

Later on in the season ,Sessions was given the starting nod when ridnours back went out and the injury kept nagging him on and off the whole year . Ridnour started games for the bucks as late as APRIL but then went on to miss a couple games when his wife gave birth , and the injury keep nagging him . The only point when Ramon was givin the starting nod was when Ridnour was injured , or when his wife gave birth ... When ridnour was healthy meaning 100% ,he got the start . That even happend a couple times in april .

IF you want to spin things and just ignore the fact our STARTING PG was injured on and off the entire season then thats on you . Its disingenious . This staff and front office are not nearly as enthused about Ramon as you are , which speaks volumes . You ignore it cause it doesnt support your own personal view ...Its clear as day . Ramons opportunites at the position came due to ridnours back and thumb injury ..anyone thats not interested in flat out lying to make a point can see it .

trwi7 · Post #299 » by **trwi7** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:07 pm

Ridnour started a lot of his games against scubs and still sucked.

BDUB_30 · Post #300 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:09 pm

UWM_Brew_Buck wrote:Wow some people really like Sessions here a lot more than I thought. If we can get rid of GADZ and get Camby for a 1 year rental I think that would be a steal. Having Sessions and Jennings in the same backcourt would not be good for either player. If you can sign Sessions for a good deal than keep him there's no point in letting him walk for free. If you can get rid of GADZ for him by all means please Hammond do not hesitate.

It would be , the money we could save with increase the rebuilding process that much sooner . If hammond was to pass up on this deal id be shocked . I know he wouldnt though . I seriously doubt the clipps would take on DG for lowly Ramon Sessions , wed have to spice it up a bit and id be willing ..