Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

Kerb Hohl · Post #301 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:41 pm

I could see them trying to grab an under value Bogut, but there is no way they have the ammo and it doesn't really seem like their plan to try to build with him. I can't even see them offering somebody that Hammond would like other than their lottery picks.

Maggette?

Post #302 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:45 pm

The Pistons aren't on that list nor are they going to be trading for Bogut.

Let's break down the teams Gery mentioned. (I don't endorse the deals just offering some opinions on viability based on what we know about Kohl)

Magic - no assets here I want unless part of 3-way Dwight/Bynum deal.

Hawks - Horford in an even up swap still sounds intriguing to me. My favorite deal.

Celtics - No assets I want other than Rondo for Bogut swap.

Rockets - Dalembert/Martin/1st for Bogut/Jackson/Delfino. This one I'd put money on.

Hornets - Kaman along with that Minnesota first they hold looks like a very viable trade to me. That pick will likely be #14. I can see this deal happening.

Wizards - Is Grunfeld dumb enough to give up his top five pick? I say no.

Bobcats - Jordan isn't giving up his top three pick.

Warriors - Biedrins, Curry, Udoh for Bogut/Delfino seems plausible

Newz · Post #303 » by **Newz** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:46 pm

I wonder if the Bobcats could be willing to give up their 1st for Bogut and Jennings? Possibly even toss in Ersan.

They are pretty much a lock to be top 3.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #304 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:47 pm

If you can get a top 7 unprotected pick, you have to do it. That would give us 2 top 7 picks and a late first for Ersan or Delfino. The key is that we would have great lotto odds for one of them to move into the top 3.

If we trade for win-now vet, I am burning my tickets.

Also, woelfel may throw a lot of **** out there, but he isn't a company man. He was ripped on hear for criticizing the Jackson trade and was the first to say Jackson wouldn't be happy here.

paul · Post #305 » by **paul** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:47 pm

Nebula1 wrote:
paul wrote:I think you missed my point.

No I get it. Just don't think it's relevant.

You don't think him climbing the stands and treating a couple of their fans like Chris Brown treats his ladies might make them reluctant to trade for him?

I know he shouldn't be blacklisted forever but I've got to assume that would give Joe some pause...

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #306 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:51 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Wizards - Is Grunfeld dumb enough to give up his top five pick? I say no.

That's what I thought....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

Nebula1 · Post #307 » by **Nebula1** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:52 pm

The only asset I'd want from any of those teams is Klay Thompson. I don't see the hurry for any of those other deals.

Woelfel is likely speculating so Detroit could still be on the table. No reason to give Bogut away right now if the deal doesn't return a high quality draft pick or young asset.

bstrassburg · Post #308 » by **bstrassburg** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:54 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Wizards - Is Grunfeld dumb enough to give up his top five pick? I say no.

That's what I thought....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

I guess I could see the Wizards, but would that mean we'd have to take back Blatche or McGee to get that draft pick. That could make our front-court epically dumb when you combine them with Gooden.

paul · Post #309 » by **paul** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:54 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Wizards - Is Grunfeld dumb enough to give up his top five pick? I say no.

That's what I thought....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

Not when he can get another Jan "Ifrenchyoursister" Vesceley at that spot...

Kerb Hohl · Post #310 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:56 pm

Newz wrote:I wonder if the Bobcats could be willing to give up their 1st for Bogut and Jennings? Possibly even toss in Ersan.

They are pretty much a lock to be top 3.

Yeah, I'm sure a guy from the Thunder's staff wants to give up a top 3 pick in a loaded draft for a pair that averages like 35-40 wins and one of them will be 28.

Newz · Post #311 » by **Newz** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:56 pm

GrendonJennings wrote:
Newz wrote:I wonder if the Bobcats could be willing to give up their 1st for Bogut and Jennings? Possibly even toss in Ersan.

They are pretty much a lock to be top 3.

Yeah, I'm sure a guy from the Thunder's staff wants to give up a top 3 pick in a loaded draft for a pair that averages like 35-40 wins and one of them will be 28.

Oh yeah. I forgot Cho is there now.

Nebula1 · Post #312 » by **Nebula1** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:58 pm

paul wrote:You don't think him climbing the stands and treating a couple of their fans like Chris Brown treats his ladies might make them reluctant to trade for him?

I know he shouldn't be blacklisted forever but I've got to assume that would give Joe some pause...

No I don't if it makes sense for them business-wise. A couple PR moves regarding Jackson and they've got that covered, plus it's about bringing Bogut in, which they should be excited about. If Jackson doesn't work, then he's an expiring deal.

Not saying it wouldn't be part of the discussion, but by no means should it be a deciding factor.

Kerb Hohl · Post #313 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:58 pm

Right, you know how they are building because of it.

I can't imagine too many GMs at all that would do something like that. Projected 7th pick? Yeah. But you can't give up a potential franchise cornerstone top 3 or even top 5 for a pair that can't even carry their team to the 8 seed. Maybe in an ideal year when Bogut is healthy they could nab the 6 or 7.

paul · Post #314 » by **paul** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:00 pm

GrendonJennings wrote:
Newz wrote:I wonder if the Bobcats could be willing to give up their 1st for Bogut and Jennings? Possibly even toss in Ersan.

They are pretty much a lock to be top 3.

Yeah, I'm sure a guy from the Thunder's staff wants to give up a top 3 pick in a loaded draft for a pair that averages like 35-40 wins and one of them will be 28.

27. And Cho's got owners to answer to just like Hammond does.

Post #315 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:01 pm

Might be wrong, but I wouldn't focus on any trades involving Jennings. As Europa said, they still love him. Also Woefel on the radio said he was hearing zero on Jennings and that the organization seems comfortable keeping him another year.

mlloyd10 · Post #316 » by **mlloyd10** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:02 pm

bstrassburg wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Wizards - Is Grunfeld dumb enough to give up his top five pick? I say no.

That's what I thought....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

I guess I could see the Wizards, but would that mean we'd have to take back Blatche or McGee to get that draft pick. That could make our front-court epically dumb when you combine them with Gooden.

Bogut and S-jax for Lewis and 2012 1st????

Or

Wait till the draft
Bogut and our 1st for whoever has the #1 pick and filler

paul · Post #317 » by **paul** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:03 pm

GrendonJennings wrote:Right, you know how they are building because of it.

I can't imagine too many GMs at all that would do something like that. Projected 7th pick? Yeah. But you can't give up a potential franchise cornerstone top 3 or even top 5 for a pair that can't even carry their team to the 8 seed. Maybe in an ideal year when Bogut is healthy they could nab the 6 or 7.

To be clear you know that Minny offered the #2 pick for Bogut prior to this season, right?

Kerb Hohl · Post #318 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:04 pm

paul wrote:
GrendonJennings wrote:
Newz wrote:I wonder if the Bobcats could be willing to give up their 1st for Bogut and Jennings? Possibly even toss in Ersan.

They are pretty much a lock to be top 3.

Yeah, I'm sure a guy from the Thunder's staff wants to give up a top 3 pick in a loaded draft for a pair that averages like 35-40 wins and one of them will be 28.

27. And Cho's got owners to answer to just like Hammond does.

I'm pretty sure Charlotte is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

Next season, when it apparently matters, he'll be 28.

Nebula1 · Post #319 » by **Nebula1** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:04 pm

Man even I think Bogut is getting under-valued around here. Anthony Davis and Harrison Barnes are probably the only two draft picks you wouldn't trade straight up for Bogut if salary weren't a factor. I think Detroit might value a Drummond over Bogut, but overall, Bogut is worth a 3-10 range draft pick.

Kerb Hohl · Post #320 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:05 pm

paul wrote:
GrendonJennings wrote:Right, you know how they are building because of it.

I can't imagine too many GMs at all that would do something like that. Projected 7th pick? Yeah. But you can't give up a potential franchise cornerstone top 3 or even top 5 for a pair that can't even carry their team to the 8 seed. Maybe in an ideal year when Bogut is healthy they could nab the 6 or 7.

To be clear you know that Minny offered the #2 pick for Bogut prior to this season, right?

In a weak draft with 2 potential (maybe they didn't know about Rubio yet) superstars on the team.

Charlotte has absolutely nothing to even surround those 2 with. They'd be the Bucks sans role players basically.