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'14 Draft Thread - Now With a Poll: VOTE OR DIE.

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Who would you pick?

Wiggins
84
31%
Parker
113
42%
Randle
2
1%
Exum
20
7%
Smart
4
1%
Embiid
39
14%
Gordon
1
0%
Saric
1
0%
LaVine
4
1%
Other
2
1%
 
Total votes: 270

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Post#301 » by TroyD92 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:38 am

El Pooch Grande wrote:Guys, you gotta be happy with either Parker or Wiggins if they ever come close to being a Buck.

Geez if the Bucks have the #2 pick I'd almost rather perfer it...ala the Sonics with the Durant and Oden debate.


Anything in the top 4 is dandy with me.
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Post#302 » by Ayt » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:40 am

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No. I prefer arguments to be based on reality. The portion in bold above isn't even true in college.

How many games has he played in college? Look u are really high on Parker in relation to Wiggins and I get that, I'm really high on Parker as well. I'm just more willing to project what Wiggins will become with the incredible talent/skill I saw on display last night and maybe youre not comfortable doing that or you're simply not seeing the same thing and that's fine.


Ayt is a huge troll. Wiggins' upside is so high it's hard to quantify


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Post#303 » by El Pooch Grande » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:40 am

TroyD92 wrote:
El Pooch Grande wrote:Guys, you gotta be happy with either Parker or Wiggins if they ever come close to being a Buck.

Geez if the Bucks have the #2 pick I'd almost rather perfer it...ala the Sonics with the Durant and Oden debate.


Anything in the top 4 is dandy with me.


Oh agreed. And if we finish with the worst record in the NBA, we'd of course be guaranteed to pick no lower then 4....

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Post#304 » by whatthe_buck!? » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:17 am

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whatthe_buck!? wrote:How many games has he played in college? Look u are really high on Parker in relation to Wiggins and I get that, I'm really high on Parker as well. I'm just more willing to project what Wiggins will become with the incredible talent/skill I saw on display last night and maybe youre not comfortable doing that or you're simply not seeing the same thing and that's fine.


Ayt is a huge troll. Wiggins' upside is so high it's hard to quantify


Agreed.

Actually I disagree, sorry Ayt but I like u a lot as a poster. U just go a bit hard at people sometimes but it's a function of the fact that u know your sh*t and u argue ur side forcefully. I respect and admire that. I admit though its not fun being on the other side of an issue with u because u go hard. Same reason why people respected Charles Oakley but hated to go against him. :-)
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Post#305 » by SupremeHustle » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:23 am

Does Randall have a perimeter game at all? Maybe it wouldn't be fair if he did. That kid is going to give Gary Neal so many open looks next season.
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Post#306 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:03 am

So, best fits for Milwaukee?

1 - Wiggins
2 - Exum
3 - Smart
4 - Parker
5 - Randle
6 - Embiid
7 - Gordon
8 - Harrison

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It's early.

Parker is one of those talents you find a spot for, yes, but at some point you have to wonder how you get Parker, Yanni and one of Sanders and Henson on the court for 30 minutes a night.

Wiggins is ideal in that he looks like a natural fit at SG.
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Post#307 » by whatthe_buck!? » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:06 am

ReasonablySober wrote:So, best fits for Milwaukee?

1 - Wiggins
2 - Exum
3 - Smart
4 - Parker
5 - Randle
6 - Embiid
7 - Gordon
8 - Harrison

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It's early.

Parker is one of those talents you find a spot for, yes, but at some point you have to wonder how you get Parker, Yanni and one of Sanders and Henson on the court for 30 minutes a night.

Wiggins is ideal in that he looks like a natural fit at SG.

Agreed. And with the way Randle and Parker have been playing it seems to me to absolutely possible at this early point that we could still snag Wiggins at pick number 2 or 3. So excited for this draft

Edit: also, as has been pointed out, if Utah is one of the teams picking ahead of us they are guaranteed to pick Parker. They also happen to be one of only a couple of teams that are likely to finish with more ping pong balls then us...
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Post#308 » by BUCKnation » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:11 am

I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I like Exum at 3, since PG is a position of need and his length would fit perfectly with our core.
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Post#309 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:14 am

BUCKnation wrote:I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I'm not sure Parker could guard threes or fours let alone twos.
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Post#310 » by whatthe_buck!? » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:24 am

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BUCKnation wrote:I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I'm not sure Parker could guard threes or fours let alone twos.

Lets not get crazy. If he gets in better shape (which he inevitably will when he enters the NBA and since he's a hard worker probably dramatically so, see: Love, Kevin) he's gonna gain quickness and he's already very sneaky athletic in a Paul Pierce kind of way. There's no way he should have trouble covering NBA 3's, at least not for the first 8 years of his career...
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Post#311 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:24 am

BUCKnation wrote:I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I like Exum at 3, since PG is a position of need and his length would fit perfectly with our core.


Wiggins could guard 1-3 and probably majority of 4's.

I'm not sure who Parker guards.

But again, it's a long season.
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Post#312 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:32 am

If you guys remember, we had a lot of discussion back in April 2007 about what we'd do with Bogut if we got the #1 overall (i.e. Oden). Or how we'd have to trade Redd if we got #2 and Durant.

There isn't one position on this roster than couldn't be upgraded with a top tier 2014 prospect. So any of these guys would "fit" really well.

Frankly after last night I'm concerned about being depressed if we don't get a top three pick. The 4-6 guys are really strong also, but the top three all look like locks to be 20ppg all-stars.
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Post#313 » by bizarro » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:48 am

paulpressey25 wrote:If you guys remember, we had a lot of discussion back in April 2007 about what we'd do with Bogut if we got the #1 overall (i.e. Oden). Or how we'd have to trade Redd if we got #2 and Durant.

There isn't one position on this roster than couldn't be upgraded with a top tier 2014 prospect. So any of these guys would "fit" really well.

Frankly after last night I'm concerned about being depressed if we don't get a top three pick. The 4-6 guys are really strong also, but the top three all look like locks to be 20ppg all-stars.


I completely agree. The top 3 is just such a golden opportunity. Frankly, at this point, I want the number 2 instead of 1. And, if it's me, I'm picking between Parker and Wiggins.

I like Exum, but his lack of a jumper concerns me. It really concerns me. I don't want another PG who can't hit the open look consistently. Granted, he's young, but that scares me. I love Embiid's boom/bust potential and he showed a lot last night with his hands and passing ability. And, Smart seems like he's almost been lost in the shuffle even though he's improved from all things I'm reading.

But, again, that top 3 is just a can't miss. If we ended up with Randle, I'd pray he develops a jumper and more care w/ the ball in his hands. I love his aggression, strength, and low post ability. I want to see him improve his FT's, his handle, and any type of midrange game.
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Post#314 » by whatthe_buck!? » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:37 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I like Exum at 3, since PG is a position of need and his length would fit perfectly with our core.


Wiggins could guard 1-3 and probably majority of 4's.

I'm not sure who Parker guards.

But again, it's a long season.

Just to add on to your thoughts about Wiggins being the best fit for us, I also feel like the fact he's from Canada and chose to attend college in Kansas may mean that he would be more amenable to stay in Milwaukee long term compared to many other top basketball prospects. I realize I don't have near enough knowledge of his personality to make a very accurate judgement like that about him however...
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Post#315 » by skones » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:20 am

whatthe_buck!? wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I like Exum at 3, since PG is a position of need and his length would fit perfectly with our core.


Wiggins could guard 1-3 and probably majority of 4's.

I'm not sure who Parker guards.

But again, it's a long season.

Just to add on to your thoughts about Wiggins being the best fit for us, I also feel like the fact he's from Canada and chose to attend college in Kansas may mean that he would be more amenable to stay in Milwaukee long term compared to many other top basketball prospects. I realize I don't have near enough knowledge of his personality to make a very accurate judgement like that about him however...


This is a rather ignorant post. He grew up in a suburb of Toronto which is a metropolitan area about 3.5 times the size of Milwaukee. As far as college is concerned, I don't see how that has a bearing on anything. Do players who go to UNC, Duke, Kentucky, etc. want to play for small market teams? No.
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Post#316 » by bizarro » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:23 am

whatthe_buck!? wrote:
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BUCKnation wrote:I'd have Parker at 2 for needs. If Wiggins is a 2 guard, Parker is just as much a 2.

I like Exum at 3, since PG is a position of need and his length would fit perfectly with our core.


Wiggins could guard 1-3 and probably majority of 4's.

I'm not sure who Parker guards.

But again, it's a long season.

Just to add on to your thoughts about Wiggins being the best fit for us, I also feel like the fact he's from Canada and chose to attend college in Kansas may mean that he would be more amenable to stay in Milwaukee long term compared to many other top basketball prospects. I realize I don't have near enough knowledge of his personality to make a very accurate judgement like that about him however...


It's an interesting take, for sure. Add the reports that he isn't entirely too comfortable in the limelight and Milwaukee may be just the match. And, to give cred where cred is due (Was it old sKool? or Baddy Chuck?) the majority of scouts still tout Wiggins as the No. 1 after last night's game. Many scouts are concerned Parker could be a tweener. Many have Randle as the 2. And, I can't help but wonder how many of these scouts had Pierce going 10 after Larry Hughes, Raef Lafrentz, Olowokandi, Jason Williams, Bibby etc. Who do you trust other than your own intuition, really ?
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Post#317 » by whatthe_buck!? » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:02 am

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Wiggins could guard 1-3 and probably majority of 4's.

I'm not sure who Parker guards.

But again, it's a long season.

Just to add on to your thoughts about Wiggins being the best fit for us, I also feel like the fact he's from Canada and chose to attend college in Kansas may mean that he would be more amenable to stay in Milwaukee long term compared to many other top basketball prospects. I realize I don't have near enough knowledge of his personality to make a very accurate judgement like that about him however...

This is a rather ignorant post. He grew up in a suburb of Toronto which is a metropolitan area about 3.5 times the size of Milwaukee. As far as college is concerned, I don't see how that has a bearing on anything. Do players who go to UNC, Duke, Kentucky, etc. want to play for small market teams? No.

Oh I realize Toronto is a much larger city then Milwaukee, trust me. I should have clarified, that was quite ignorant of me to assume posters like u would reasonably interpret my post. I meant that Toronto being a far northern city is similar to Milwaukee in climate and in activities compared to say LA or Miami. Kansas is smack dab in the middle of farm country right in the heartland, basically the opposite of living out on either coast where there are located the cities that due to their allure typically draw top NBA talent to sign when they become unrestrcted free agents.

It's definitely a limb I'm going out on and some pretty large unknowns I'm assuming but imo not anything that doesn't have some legitimate basis to begin a discussion. Add to that what bizarro mentions about what is known about Wiggins possibly more introverted personality than is usual for a top prospect of his caliber and maybe there is something to what I'm saying. All I know is with all the great options at the top of this draft, imo our future ability to resign whoever we draft should be a factor in who we end up drafting. Not the biggest factor, maybe nothing more than a small consideration, but I definitely think it should included in the thought process.

What would be truly ignorant is pretending that the future ability of the bucks to resign and retain drafted talent could never be an issue for us. It's not like that sort of thing hasn't caused many problems for smaller market NBA teams in the recent NBA past...
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Post#318 » by LUKE23 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:34 pm

I still have Wiggins #1 but Parker is right there. Top 3 is pretty clear. My top 5 in order are Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Exum, Harrison.
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Post#319 » by PackBuckBrew » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:02 pm

If we can land a top 5 pick (if our injuries keep up looks that way) I want Exum! Would give us such and incredibly tall team! Trade Ersan for late lotto pick and get Doug McDermott (very similar skill, cheaper, higher upside version of Ersan) and pick up a player like Russ Smith in the second and this team would be fantastic


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Post#320 » by PackBuckBrew » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:12 pm

C-Larry Sanders 6'11"
PF-John Henson 6'11"
SF-Giannis 6'9"
SG-OJ Mayo 6'4"
PG-Dante Exum 6'6"

PF/SF-Doug McDermott 6'7"
PG/SG-Brandon Knight 6'3"
PG/SG-Russ Smith 6'0"

This is my wet dream for next season. The length would make our defense stellar, and with McDermott and Smith coming off the bench we would have great shooters/scores.


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