Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Nwora in protocols

[Brewhoopfan]

Grayson has played really well. DDV has a really nice skillset, and PatC has turned into a heck of a weapon off the bench. That said, the obvious immediate need beyond this season (hopefully not THIS season!) is Brook's replacement. More specifically, a decent sized big who can protect the rim and make shots. These are much harder to find than wings who can shoot. The Bucks should be open to trading away at least one of Pat/DDV/Allen to get a rim protector to play with Giannis. Portis is NOT this player.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Grayson extension makes him the one the Bucks can trade in the offseason, as they resign Patty C, and get Donte back for another year.

You wouldnt be upset if they traded allen instead of donte.This is the 1st time in i dont know how long the bucks have had a actual shooting guard who can actually shoot especially 3s,signed a very friendly 2 year extension and hes the one that goes.
That would absolutely shock me he is perfect on this team perfect as the SG .If they get a bug up their ass to trade it has to be DDV. I dont think the bucks want DDV as a starter thats why the bogdan fail trade n now allen

Donte shot 38% from 3 in his 3rd season and likely will continue to improve, just like Allen has.

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.

[Shaffty]

The Grayson extension makes him the one the Bucks can trade in the offseason, as they resign Patty C, and get Donte back for another year.

You wouldnt be upset if they traded allen instead of donte.This is the 1st time in i dont know how long the bucks have had a actual shooting guard who can actually shoot especially 3s,signed a very friendly 2 year extension and hes the one that goes.
That would absolutely shock me he is perfect on this team perfect as the SG .If they get a bug up their ass to trade it has to be DDV. I dont think the bucks want DDV as a starter thats why the bogdan fail trade n now allen

Donte shot 38% from 3 in his 3rd season and likely will continue to improve, just like Allen has.

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.

Donte is sucha worse shooter then grayson.

[Matches Malone]

I love Donte but Allen is everything we've been looking for in the backcourt, for a few years now. He can shoot the ball, create his own shot, he can drive to the hoop, moves without the ball well and finds the open spot when Giannis is driving and he's not a pushover on defense. I'd be pretty bummed if they decided to move on from that unless it was in a package for another all-star or very high end player.

[DingleJerry]

I love Donte but Allen is everything we've been looking for in the backcourt, for a few years now. He can shoot the ball, create his own shot, he can drive to the hoop, moves without the ball well and finds the open spot when Giannis is driving and he's not a pushover on defense. I'd be pretty bummed if they decided to move on from that unless it was in a package for another all-star or very high end player.

While being signed into what looks like a bargain contract. If he played out this year at roughly the level he's been playing he easily doubles what he signed for. This is the exact type of break they needed on a low cost move to help make up for so many missed draft picks the last several years.

Bigs generally come cheap these days and I get Brook's specific skillset is a bit niche among bigs. But there should be a way to find this guy over the next two year. Plus, you can probably find a way to make due with a thick big who maybe isn't the ideal shooter/spacer like Brook. You need a thick guy to help the wear/tear for the regular season but come playoffs their role will be reduced (so maybe not ideal spot to spend money/assets) especially if we now have more good wings than previous (assuming Allen/Pat stay good, maybe DDv is still here) so it's easier to play Giannis 5 lineups without having to play a stiff on the wing.

[Ron Swanson]

Grayson has basically been exactly what we wanted Bogdan to be, had the trade went through. And we got him for half the price, without giving up Donte...

Double middle fingers to Silver still, while muttering "you kind of bailed us out anyways".

[Prez]

If we get last year’s level out of Jrue/Khris/Brook at some point this year to go with current Grayson/Giannis that’s the best lineup in basketball, they will absolutely wipe teams off the court. Brook is the one I’m really concerned about though, it just doesn’t work at the same level without him.

I can’t believe we got Grayson for Merrill and whatever, AND got him on a solid extension. Just a complete heist for the perfect 5th piece. Donte was a great fit too but now we can shift him to a bench spark role where he might be an even better fit.

[BigO]

Comparing Allen and DDV is like comparing apples to oranges.

Allen is a much better offensive layer and DDV is a much better defensive player. It depends what your priorities are.

Allen looks better defensively than I've seen in the past. By his own admission, he was a horrible defender in college. He's probably slightly below average now, but improving.

DDV has a hard time finishing at the rim and is not a natural scorer like Allen. But his defense is well above average and that's just as important as offense.

Neither one is a great passer, although I think Allen is slightly better.

[paulpressey25]

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.

Pat's upcoming deal will be a minimum of 4/$60 from someone. Owners better get the wallets ready for the big tax bill.

And if you want be a title favorite, you've got to keep Allen.

Think you just hope DDV can return after ASB and give the team a boost, then hope he takes a QO, otherwise you try to S&T him next summer.

[ShootingtheJ]

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.

Pat's upcoming deal will be a minimum of 4/$60 from someone. Owners better get the wallets ready for the big tax bill.

And if you want be a title favorite, you've got to keep Allen.

Think you just hope DDV can return after ASB and give the team a boost, then hope he takes a QO, otherwise you try to S&T him next summer.

We just won a title without Allen. Allen would have more trade value then what you'd get dealing a RFA.

When charting the course, you need to take into account the haul you'd get for Allen. It could be the way to gain assets necessary to get Brooks replacement.

[emunney]

Grayson has played really well. DDV has a really nice skillset, and PatC has turned into a heck of a weapon off the bench. That said, the obvious immediate need beyond this season (hopefully not THIS season!) is Brook's replacement. More specifically, a decent sized big who can protect the rim and make shots. These are much harder to find than wings who can shoot. The Bucks should be open to trading away at least one of Pat/DDV/Allen to get a rim protector to play with Giannis. Portis is NOT this player.

We've also got that FRP next summer. I'm not super worried about this because I don't personally think the guy necessarily has to shoot. We're not going to be able to avoid making tweaks to how we play, but it's a universal basketball thing to defend the rim and right now we clearly are thin there.

[Ayt]

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.

Pat's upcoming deal will be a minimum of 4/$60 from someone. Owners better get the wallets ready for the big tax bill.

And if you want be a title favorite, you've got to keep Allen.

Think you just hope DDV can return after ASB and give the team a boost, then hope he takes a QO, otherwise you try to S&T him next summer.

I highly doubt it. As good as he has been, he's still a limited player who is at his best as like the 7th-8th man. He'll also be turning 30 next year.

[KendallMarshall]

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.

Pat's upcoming deal will be a minimum of 4/$60 from someone.

That's what everyone said about Bobby portis too.

[emunney]

I think Pat can probably get a full MLE from someone, but at his age and production, he'd be getting a lot of credit for team success to get more than that.

[paulpressey25]

That's what everyone said about Bobby portis too.

Truly believe Bobby would have gotten minimum 4/$40 or even 4/$60 in that crazy market last August, if not for a handshake deal with Lasry. He's going to get paid by us next summer, regardless of how he plays this year. Would be happy to even do a one week signature bet on it, if he doesn't get his "reward" deal in 2022.

And remember, Bobby's agent is Mark Bartelstein. Mark never leaves money on the table for his clients. Never.

[paulpressey25]

I think Pat can probably get a full MLE from someone, but at his age and production, he'd be getting a lot of credit for team success to get more than that.

The MLE is 4/$40. That's still a big deal. The only way Pat doesn't get that or more is if:

a) His early season performance tanks
b) the team tanks in the playoffs
c) There ends up being no dumb teams with money come July

The guy is absolutely killing it as a wing role player right now. Pistons, Kings, Wolves, etc. will all toss cash his way.

[AussieBuck]

Step 1 --> Lament lack of team depth
Step 2 --> Spend all your time finding ways to not bring back quality rotation players we have
Step 3 --> Profit!!!

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, Pat's in line for 8-figures if this continues. That's why I said even before the season started that you had to brace for him turning down that player option and have a SG/wing contingency plan for 2022. That's why the Grayson extension already looks like a huge win. Jury is still out on Nwora, but Horst has generally been pretty savvy at replenishing the wing reserves for cheap (Pat, Wes Matthews, Forbes, now Grayson). Throw in that Hill is still a guy who can give you SG minutes, and my hunch is that Pat is gone after this year with us finding a cheaper option via the draft or minimum guys.

[LuessiT]

Grayson has played really well. DDV has a really nice skillset, and PatC has turned into a heck of a weapon off the bench. That said, the obvious immediate need beyond this season (hopefully not THIS season!) is Brook's replacement. More specifically, a decent sized big who can protect the rim and make shots. These are much harder to find than wings who can shoot. The Bucks should be open to trading away at least one of Pat/DDV/Allen to get a rim protector to play with Giannis. Portis is NOT this player.

We've also got that FRP next summer. I'm not super worried about this because I don't personally think the guy necessarily has to shoot. We're not going to be able to avoid making tweaks to how we play, but it's a universal basketball thing to defend the rim and right now we clearly are thin there.

I think we need both, someone to protect the rim and someone to be able to shoot 3's, but neither necessarily has to be at a high level. Ideally we bring in someone who's a better passer than Brook. Personally I'm very high on JV and he's not the worst fit. Maybe something like Brook + our first for JV in the off-season.

[LuessiT]

Despite his extension Valanciunas is tradeable immediately as long as he's not aggregated. I could see us making a play this year with Brook + Donte/Nwora + 2nds. Can't trade our pick pre draft.

How about:

MIL out: Brook Lopez, 2022, 2024, 2026 & 2028 MIL 1STs, rights to swap FRPs with MIL in 2023, 2025 & 2027
MIL in: Jonas Valanciunas, 2025 & 2027 MIL 1STs, rights to swap FRPs with MIL in 2024 & 2026

NOP out: Jonas Valanciunas, 2025 & 2027 MIL 1STs, rights to swap FRPs with MIL in 2024 & 2026
NOP in: Brook Lopez, 2024, 2026 & 2028 MIL 1STs, rights to swap FRPs with MIL in 2023, 2025 & 2027

HOU out: 2023 MIL 1ST
HOU in: 2022 MIL 1ST

Looks big, but it's basically just Brook + 1ST for JV and working around the Stepien rule. Would probably have to kick another 2nd to Houston to make them bite.