Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[midranger]

It’s also SUPER weird that someone would assume that SL teams are made up exclusively of 19-22 year olds.

For instance, the Pelicans Summer League team (the team Shannon was playing against) has exactly 1 guy younger than 22. More 25 year olds than 22 year olds and a 26 year old for good measure.

He was playing with his age cohort (or older). Another swing a miss. Again, just gotta confirm those priors.

Are you trying to be pedantic or does it just come naturally? He's an old rookie who played 150 games in high major competition. If he didn't look better than summer league competition that would be the story.

There are guys with up to 3 years of NBA experience in summer league you numbskull.

You said what you said. It was dumb and completely wrong. Move on.

[ReasonablySober]

It’s also SUPER weird that someone would assume that SL teams are made up exclusively of 19-22 year olds.

For instance, the Pelicans Summer League team (the team Shannon was playing against) has exactly 1 guy younger than 22. More 25 year olds than 22 year olds and a 26 year old for good measure.

He was playing with his age cohort (or older). Another swing a miss. Again, just gotta confirm those priors.

Are you trying to be pedantic or does it just come naturally? He's an old rookie who played 150 games in high major competition. If he didn't look better than summer league competition that would be the story.

There are guys with up to 3 years of [b]NBA experience in summer league you numbskull.[/b]

You said what you said. It was dumb and completely wrong. Admit it. Move on.

The guys he played against and their NBA experience.

Jordan Hall - 9 games
Izaiah Brockington - 1 game
Jordan Hawkins - 67 games
Jordan Ford - 6 games

Buncha well seasoned vets.

[midranger]

Terrance Shannon: 0 NBA games

Move those goal posts. Never admit you’re wrong, no matter what. 19-22 year olds and all. You’re doing the lord’s work.

[ReasonablySober]

Terrance Shannon: 0 NBA games

Move those goal posts. Never admit you’re wrong, no matter what. 19-22 year olds and all. You’re doing the lord’s work.

Dude, we've had this conversation on and off here for literal decades. The story of the SL isn't when a player looks good. It's when they should look good and they don't.

[Mtsportsfan]

Someone ask me what my biggest fear is. I want a second excuse to post a clip from 2000's (should have been) Best Picture.

Anyone know if Andrew Bogut horrific fall was used in a Best Picture?

Yeah , that was terrible! Still think it was a dirty play by Amari Stoudemire with that little shove in the back! Totally changed Boguts career!

[htr]

Hypothetically, if we luck out and get gtj on the minimum, are we happy otherwise running it back?

[slos]

Vezenkov seems to have a deal waiting with Olympiakos, but Toronto isn’t willing to just let him go. What about this..

Toronto in Pat
Detroit in Vezenkov, Bucks 2031 SRP + cash
Bucks in nada

Raps get a wing they can actually use + another tradeable contract moving forward

Pistons pick up a future SRP for eating some dead money

Milwaukee can sign now GTJ with the tax-MLE and still have some breathing room under the 2nd apron for their 15th contract

[RiotPunch]

Vezenkov seems to have a deal waiting with Olympiakos, but Toronto isn’t willing to just let him go. What about this..

Toronto in Pat
Detroit in Vezenkov, Bucks 2031 SRP + cash
Bucks in nada

Raps get a wing they can actually use + another tradeable contract moving forward

Pistons pick up a future SRP for eating some dead money

Milwaukee can sign now GTJ with the tax-MLE and still have some breathing room under the 2nd apron for their 15th contract

I fail to see Toronto's motivation here. We're seeing firsthand how tradeable Pat's contract is. Maybe if the play is him being filler of some kind next year as an expiring, but even then, they would want to be paid for taking on Pat's salary, IMO.

I would float Pat/Beauchamp/'31 2nd to Detroit, though. Pat is a culture guy, they take a flier on MarJon and get a pick for their troubles.

[Fotis St]

no clue what point of the "NBA Cup" is

It will eventually become an extra legacy feature.
In 20 years teams like the Pacers or others which don't have a Championship to show, they will start hang NBA Cup banners as part of the team's legacy. Cups have been successful tournaments for soccer for 40 years.

[slos]

Vezenkov seems to have a deal waiting with Olympiakos, but Toronto isn’t willing to just let him go. What about this..

Toronto in Pat
Detroit in Vezenkov, Bucks 2031 SRP + cash
Bucks in nada

Raps get a wing they can actually use + another tradeable contract moving forward

Pistons pick up a future SRP for eating some dead money

Milwaukee can sign now GTJ with the tax-MLE and still have some breathing room under the 2nd apron for their 15th contract

I fail to see Toronto's motivation here. We're seeing firsthand how tradeable Pat's contract is. Maybe if the play is him being filler of some kind next year as an expiring, but even then, they would want to be paid for taking on Pat's salary, IMO.

I would float Pat/Beauchamp/'31 2nd to Detroit, though. Pat is a culture guy, they take a flier on MarJon and get a pick for their troubles.

Raps are stuck with a 6.6 mil expiring that nobody wants since Vezenkov wants out of the NBA. Instead of paying now they push that obligation to next season with a 9.4 mil expiring.

In the meantime they get a player that can contribute and his salary could become useful at some point. Pat’s contract is not easily tradeable in Milwaukee because of 2nd apron restrictions, Toronto on the other hand can use it to aggregate salaries.

Actually I would cut out Pistons and keep that 2031 SRP. Bucks can stretch then Vezenkov and still have access to the tax-MLE for GTJ. In that case they just won’t have enough money for a 15th contract. Maybe Vezenkov agrees to a team friendly buyout and makes this option even more viable.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

dumb to try and dump pat as a negative asset. i hope he has a bounce back year shooting obviously but even if he doesnt get super hot anymore its not like he cant fill a gob of minutes with generally solid play.

trading bobby and pat for solid good value? sure...i get that.
but trading for cash? no....please not that.

[RiotPunch]

Vezenkov seems to have a deal waiting with Olympiakos, but Toronto isn’t willing to just let him go. What about this..

Toronto in Pat
Detroit in Vezenkov, Bucks 2031 SRP + cash
Bucks in nada

Raps get a wing they can actually use + another tradeable contract moving forward

Pistons pick up a future SRP for eating some dead money

Milwaukee can sign now GTJ with the tax-MLE and still have some breathing room under the 2nd apron for their 15th contract

I fail to see Toronto's motivation here. We're seeing firsthand how tradeable Pat's contract is. Maybe if the play is him being filler of some kind next year as an expiring, but even then, they would want to be paid for taking on Pat's salary, IMO.

I would float Pat/Beauchamp/'31 2nd to Detroit, though. Pat is a culture guy, they take a flier on MarJon and get a pick for their troubles.

Raps are stuck with a 6.6 mil expiring that nobody wants since Vezenkov wants out of the NBA. Instead of paying now they push that obligation to next season with a 9.4 mil expiring.

In the meantime they get a player that can contribute and his salary could become useful at some point. Pat’s contract is not easily tradeable in Milwaukee because of 2nd apron restrictions, Toronto on the other hand can use it to aggregate salaries.

Actually I would cut out Pistons and keep that 2031 SRP. Bucks can stretch then Vezenkov and still have access to the tax-MLE for GTJ. In that case they just won’t have enough money for a 15th contract. Maybe Vezenkov agrees to a team friendly buyout and makes this option even more viable.

There's just not enough (if any) incentive for Toronto.

[ShootingtheJ]

Hypothetically, if we luck out and get gtj on the minimum, are we happy otherwise running it back?

Nope. Bringing back Brook to get cooked in the playoffs again is a massive mistake.

[ShootingtheJ]

I was crushed when the Bucks missed out on DaRon Holmes, but I can only imagine how crushed I'd be right now as he's torn his achilles.

[Mtsportsfan]

I was crushed when the Bucks missed out on DaRon Holmes, but I can only imagine how crushed I'd be right now as he's torn his achilles.

Yep, was way bummed when we couldn't get him him! Feel bad for the young man! I guess in away we dodged a bullet!

[Profound23]

I was crushed when the Bucks missed out on DaRon Holmes, but I can only imagine how crushed I'd be right now as he's torn his achilles.

Yep, was way bummed when we couldn't get him him! Feel bad for the young man! I guess in away we dodged a bullet!

I'd still trade AJ Johnson for him right now.

[yb90]

dumb to try and dump pat as a negative asset. i hope he has a bounce back year shooting obviously but even if he doesnt get super hot anymore its not like he cant fill a gob of minutes with generally solid play.

trading bobby and pat for solid good value? sure...i get that.
but trading for cash? no....please not that.

What does Pat do better than Ajax, Green, or even Marjon at this stage in his career? He is too slow to guard most PGs and SGs while being to small to guard good SFs. Offensively, he never worked on his game enough to be really useful without his shot. There is no upside with Pat.

[Wonka]

dumb to try and dump pat as a negative asset. i hope he has a bounce back year shooting obviously but even if he doesnt get super hot anymore its not like he cant fill a gob of minutes with generally solid play.

trading bobby and pat for solid good value? sure...i get that.
but trading for cash? no....please not that.

What does Pat do better than Ajax, Green, or even Marjon at this stage in his career? He is too slow to guard most PGs and SGs while being to small to guard good SFs. Offensively, he never worked on his game enough to be really useful without his shot. There is no upside with Pat.

This. Pat is cooked. Everything positive that he once brought is gone. Injuries and age have robbed him on any ability to be a contributor. He’s lost all athleticism. He is too slow to get to the hoop and too slow to stop anyone from doing the same on the other end. He’s no longer a good rebounder like he used to be, nor is his jumper falling in any meaningful way.

[MickeyDavis]

no clue what point of the "NBA Cup" is

It will eventually become an extra legacy feature.
In 20 years teams like the Pacers or others which don't have a Championship to show, they will start hang NBA Cup banners as part of the team's legacy. Cups have been successful tournaments for soccer for 40 years.

It's an admission that the regular season is too long, too boring, too lame. They try to add some juice to it. No one will ever give a **** that the Lakers won it last year. Or whoever wins it going forward.

[MVP2110]

Honestly the "cup games" last year were more exciting for me then just a random regular season game. I imagine the Bucks/Pacers cup game this year will feel more intense given the budding rivalry between the two teams(which partly has to do with them knocking us out of the tournament last year)