Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Trade Deadline 2/6/25 - 2:00 p.m. CDT

[raferfenix]

Trading Khris, Bobby, and Pat is "gutting" the team around Giannis?

You could argue opportunity cost for what else we could trade for.

But depending on what draft assets (or young players) we'd need in the package I keep coming back to this point.

Bottom line: if Jimmy is the right kind of crazy for the team he'd contribute more than the Khris/Bobby/Pat crew.

If he'd embrace playing the Jrue Holiday role for us mixed with PJ Tucker intensity he might even be worth the salary slots and cap space -- not to mention the owners' financial bottom line for the money we'd have to pay him too.

Now those are some serious if's. And the opportunity cost is a real question. But still.

[Ron Swanson]

Watching OKC dismantle Cleveland last night with only 6'6 Kenrich Williams playing Center just further reinforced to me that we need to construct the absolute best small-ball lineup we can around Giannis anchoring the interior. I'm open to suggestions beyond Jimmy, but it's hard not to envision sliding him in at PF with Dame and any two of Green, Trent, and Prince filling out the other two wing spots as the most potent death lineup you can realistically put together.

Because what can we actually get for Bobby, Pat, Marjon, and a single future 1st at this point? All the other names on the market (Cam Johnson, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, etc.) require you jettison Brook or Khris for salary purposes anyways. If you wouldn't give up that first for Jimmy then why on earth would you give it up for someone like Jerami Grant? All that's left is seeing if you can turn Bobby into a couple young prospects or distressed asset you then pray can break out immediately in a new situation, or lighting another asset on fire to dump Pat's contract. The alternatives just kinda suck right now.

[soxperry]

Alright, here we go



full write up here

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=116571841#p116571841

[ShootingtheJ]

Watching OKC dismantle Cleveland last night with only 6'6 Kenrich Williams playing Center just further reinforced to me that we need to construct the absolute best small-ball lineup we can around Giannis anchoring the interior. I'm open to suggestions beyond Jimmy, but it's hard not to envision sliding him in at PF with Dame and any two of Green, Trent, and Prince filling out the other two wing spots as the most potent death lineup you can realistically put together.

Because what can we actually get for Bobby, Pat, Marjon, and a single future 1st at this point? All the other names on the market (Cam Johnson, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, etc.) require you jettison Brook or Khris for salary purposes anyways. If you wouldn't give up that first for Jimmy then why on earth would you give it up for someone like Jerami Grant? All that's left is seeing if you can turn Bobby into a couple young prospects or distressed asset you then pray can break out immediately in a new situation, or lighting another asset on fire to dump Pat's contract. The alternatives just kinda suck right now.

Cleveland played terrible all around, the game a week ago Cleveland 2 bigs absolutely destroyed OKC inside.

I do agree that we should be building a Giannis at center lineup, but we need multiple forwards to empower this lineup, not a bunch of 6'4" average athletes.

[LUKE23]

You fix this by starting Green instead of AJAX.

Dame/Green/Butler/Giannis/Portis has plenty of spacing.

A Dame/Green defensive backcourt? Yeah, no. Portis starting at C? Also no.

[BroncoBuck]

Why are you trying to save ownership luxury tax money? That doesn't help us win.

That's not the aim. The goal is stop playing around with one of greatest players to ever play the sport's prime years.

Gutting the team around him makes us better?Jettisonning the player who has amazing chemistry with him makes us better?

The Bucks scored on all 7 Giannis/Middleton 2 man actions versus the Magic. We're better without that? Entering last game, the Bucks had a 144 offensive rating with Giannis and Khris on and Dame off. I'm not mentioning that to slight Dame, but to point out what an awesome duo Giannis and Mids have become. Seems like Doc has supercharged that duo.

Moving Khris, Bobby and picks makes it almost impossible to field a viable rotation now and especially in the very near future.

Khris isn’t confident enough in his own body to play basketball. I don’t care about his chemistry with Giannis on the floor, because the fact of the matter is he can’t stay on the floor. Doc and the front office have emphasized how all of these games missed have been entirely Khris’ decision. I’m not hitching my wagon to that guy.

All time Buck, phenomenal player, but it’s time to part ways.

[Ron Swanson]

Khris has played less minutes than Delon Wright and we're nearly half way through the season. Jimmy might not be the answer, but neither is burying your head in the sand about Khris' ability to stay healthy.

[soxperry]

That's not the aim. The goal is stop playing around with one of greatest players to ever play the sport's prime years.

Gutting the team around him makes us better?Jettisonning the player who has amazing chemistry with him makes us better?

The Bucks scored on all 7 Giannis/Middleton 2 man actions versus the Magic. We're better without that? Entering last game, the Bucks had a 144 offensive rating with Giannis and Khris on and Dame off. I'm not mentioning that to slight Dame, but to point out what an awesome duo Giannis and Mids have become. Seems like Doc has supercharged that duo.

Moving Khris, Bobby and picks makes it almost impossible to field a viable rotation now and especially in the very near future.

Khris isn’t confident enough in his own body to play basketball. I don’t care about his chemistry with Giannis on the floor, because the fact of the matter is he can’t stay on the floor. Doc and the front office have emphasized how all of these games missed have been entirely Khris’ decision. I’m not hitching my wagon to that guy.

All time Buck, phenomenal player, but it’s time to part ways.

Yeah, i just dont mind if Khris is being overly cautious. Not at all. He did the same thing last season and it worked out great for the playoffs. I would still trade him for Jimmy but I'm not overly concerned about him missing regular season games.

[ShootingtheJ]

So depending on how the Heat feel about being able to flip VanFleet, something like

Butler to Milwaukee
VanFleet to Miami
Khris and Bobby to Houston
Pat to Detroit

fill in the gaps with picks and small salaries, but that trade works

It's not really necessary to include the pat trade in a 4 way, can be done prior, but without making it a 4 way, fanspo won't approve it.

Pat has to be part of the deal, because you're aggregating party of his salary. Jimmy makes $4 1/2 million more than Khris and Bobby combined.

[dedned]

Honestly hope there are no trades. I like this team.

[soxperry]

So depending on how the Heat feel about being able to flip VanFleet, something like

Butler to Milwaukee
VanFleet to Miami
Khris and Bobby to Houston
Pat to Detroit

fill in the gaps with picks and small salaries, but that trade works

It's not really necessary to include the pat trade in a 4 way, can be done prior, but without making it a 4 way, fanspo won't approve it.

Pat has to be part of the deal, because you're aggregating party of his salary. Jimmy makes $4 1/2 million more than Khris and Bobby combined.

i'm just saying Pat can go to Detroit prior to the Butler trade and it's the same thing as making this a 4 way.

[ShootingtheJ]

That's not the aim. The goal is stop playing around with one of greatest players to ever play the sport's prime years.

Gutting the team around him makes us better?Jettisonning the player who has amazing chemistry with him makes us better?

The Bucks scored on all 7 Giannis/Middleton 2 man actions versus the Magic. We're better without that? Entering last game, the Bucks had a 144 offensive rating with Giannis and Khris on and Dame off. I'm not mentioning that to slight Dame, but to point out what an awesome duo Giannis and Mids have become. Seems like Doc has supercharged that duo.

Moving Khris, Bobby and picks makes it almost impossible to field a viable rotation now and especially in the very near future.

Khris isn’t confident enough in his own body to play basketball. I don’t care about his chemistry with Giannis on the floor, because the fact of the matter is he can’t stay on the floor. Doc and the front office have emphasized how all of these games missed have been entirely Khris’ decision. I’m not hitching my wagon to that guy.

All time Buck, phenomenal player, but it’s time to part ways.

If this was the playoffs, Khris would be full time.

[ShootingtheJ]

So depending on how the Heat feel about being able to flip VanFleet, something like

Butler to Milwaukee
VanFleet to Miami
Khris and Bobby to Houston
Pat to Detroit

fill in the gaps with picks and small salaries, but that trade works

It's not really necessary to include the pat trade in a 4 way, can be done prior, but without making it a 4 way, fanspo won't approve it.

Pat has to be part of the deal, because you're aggregating party of his salary. Jimmy makes $4 1/2 million more than Khris and Bobby combined.

i'm just saying Pat can go to Detroit prior to the Butler trade and it's the same thing as making this a 4 way.

I hear what you're saying, but he actually can't be traded prior, because even as a 1st apron team, we can't take back more than we send out. The new rules suck.

[ShootingtheJ]

Khris has played less minutes than Delon Wright and we're nearly half way through the season. Jimmy might not be the answer, but neither is burying your head in the sand about Khris' ability to stay healthy.

Jimmy literally missed the playoffs last year.

[BroncoBuck]

Gutting the team around him makes us better?Jettisonning the player who has amazing chemistry with him makes us better?

The Bucks scored on all 7 Giannis/Middleton 2 man actions versus the Magic. We're better without that? Entering last game, the Bucks had a 144 offensive rating with Giannis and Khris on and Dame off. I'm not mentioning that to slight Dame, but to point out what an awesome duo Giannis and Mids have become. Seems like Doc has supercharged that duo.

Moving Khris, Bobby and picks makes it almost impossible to field a viable rotation now and especially in the very near future.

Khris isn’t confident enough in his own body to play basketball. I don’t care about his chemistry with Giannis on the floor, because the fact of the matter is he can’t stay on the floor. Doc and the front office have emphasized how all of these games missed have been entirely Khris’ decision. I’m not hitching my wagon to that guy.

All time Buck, phenomenal player, but it’s time to part ways.

If this was the playoffs, Khris would be full time.

Doc said that opening night and Khris missed the next 21 games. I don’t believe it. He’s played more than 30 minutes one time this season.

[Ron Swanson]

Khris has played less minutes than Delon Wright and we're nearly half way through the season. Jimmy might not be the answer, but neither is burying your head in the sand about Khris' ability to stay healthy.

Jimmy literally missed the playoffs last year.

So did Giannis.

[Profound23]

Khris has played less minutes than Delon Wright and we're nearly half way through the season. Jimmy might not be the answer, but neither is burying your head in the sand about Khris' ability to stay healthy.

Jimmy literally missed the playoffs last year.

So did Giannis.

The chances of us winning it all are already small. For us to win it we need Giannis, Dame, Lopez, and Khris healthy and performing well along with contributions from Green, Portis, and at least one other.

If we made a trade of Khris, Portis, Pat, first for Butler what little depth we had is depleted but we are still pretty much in the same boat. At that point we need Giannis, Dame, Butler, Lopez to stay healthy and perform. Any major injury during playoff time, that would affect the status of the big three or one guy underperforms for a long stretch and we are toast.

So then it comes down to who do you have more confidence in to stay healthy and perform on both ends of the court:

Bobby/Khris duo
Or
Jimmy


Both Khris and Butler, along with Giannis and Dame have had injuries when it mattered most over the past few years so when it comes to injuries that's a wash imo...and you're just praying for everything to go right.

Then the question becomes performance...and I trust Jimmy to perform over Khris/Bobby IF.....it's a big if he would be happy here and understand his role.

Either way it's a risk, and whatever we do if it doesn't work out the majority of people will be saying we should've done the opposite. I personally would need more than Butler back if we are giving up Khris, Bobby, Pat, and first even if it's protected. I need at least one other player who might contribute in the playoffs and then I'm fine with the trade if it's truly possible.

[fansinceforever]

Gutting the team around him makes us better?Jettisonning the player who has amazing chemistry with him makes us better?

The Bucks scored on all 7 Giannis/Middleton 2 man actions versus the Magic. We're better without that? Entering last game, the Bucks had a 144 offensive rating with Giannis and Khris on and Dame off. I'm not mentioning that to slight Dame, but to point out what an awesome duo Giannis and Mids have become. Seems like Doc has supercharged that duo.

Moving Khris, Bobby and picks makes it almost impossible to field a viable rotation now and especially in the very near future.

Khris isn’t confident enough in his own body to play basketball. I don’t care about his chemistry with Giannis on the floor, because the fact of the matter is he can’t stay on the floor. Doc and the front office have emphasized how all of these games missed have been entirely Khris’ decision. I’m not hitching my wagon to that guy.

All time Buck, phenomenal player, but it’s time to part ways.

Yeah, i just dont mind if Khris is being overly cautious. Not at all. He did the same thing last season and it worked out great for the playoffs. I would still trade him for Jimmy but I'm not overly concerned about him missing regular season games.

We're a game and a half away from being in the play in. The regular season matters for the Bucks. We're not a "wake me up in May" team anymore.

[PG Graveyard]

Khris has played less minutes than Delon Wright and we're nearly half way through the season. Jimmy might not be the answer, but neither is burying your head in the sand about Khris' ability to stay healthy.

There is also the angle of moving off his contract for next year. Considering how little he can play in the regular season now that’s worth something

[ShootingtheJ]

How soon does Philly go full tank? They're pick this year is only top 6 protected. To go full tank, they need to trade Maxie for picks. Sounds like there's bad blood between Maxie and Joel, so this could happen.

Want to play small ball? Dame for Jimmy and picks, with Pat and a pick to a 3rd team for a cheap center. Brook and Bobby for scrubs to reroute to Philly and picks, combined with the other picks for Maxie. Salary slots work.