Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[JimmyTheKid]

Curious whether the Bucks could / would trade ZaZa for Koufos.

Grizzlies probably would prefer Henson, especially if they think there is any chance Gasol walks. But they also could see Pachulia as a better fit for winning a championship this season, and further could appreciate his contract being locked in at a fair rate.

Pretty sure Koufos is unrestricted...so I wouldn't trade anything for him, and let's not KIDD ourselves, ZaZa isn't going anywhere.

Haven't seem much of Koufos since college. Would he be considered a "rich man's Zaza"? And if not, who could we potentially trade for that would give us what Zaza gives, only significantly better at everything. I like what Zaza tries to do. He's just not very good. In Kidd's system, we need a center who understands his role, can knock down the free throw line extended jumpers, won't get out-athletic-ed for rebounds, and can finish at the rim. Who is that guy and is he available?

[HurricaneKid]

Why does GS need to free up cash?

They are a tax repeater, which magnifies the penalty. If they end up paying Dray 15M they will have a ~110M payroll which means they will be paying ~75M in lux taxes alone. Finding a suitor for Lee could save them 40M in tax on top of his 15M salary.

[raferfenix]

Koufos is a RFA and if we trade for him I'd expect us to be willing to pony up what would be required to keep him.

Haven't seen him play much so don't know if he is likely to be overpaid or if he is someone we'd want to invest in as a long term center for us.

Best piece I've seen on his situation is this:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... de-rumors/

“I do want to play a lot more,” Koufos told Basketball Insiders regarding a potential strategy for his pending free agency. “You know, who doesn’t [want to play more]? But right now I’m not thinking about the summer. I’m thinking about the now, and right now I’m with the Memphis Grizzlies trying to help them win as many games as possible. That’s my goal. You have to feel confident. This [is] my role right now so I have to go with it.”

[WeekapaugGroove]

Why does GS need to free up cash?

They are a tax repeater, which magnifies the penalty. If they end up paying Dray 15M they will have a ~110M payroll which means they will be paying ~75M in lux taxes alone. Finding a suitor for Lee could save them 40M in tax on top of his 15M salary.

I don't think they would be a repeater next year. They aren't over the tax line this yr since Klays extension won't kick in until next year.

That's why I could totally see them being fine being over next yr. They cap and tax will go up in 2016 and Lee's contract will be off the books.

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[AussieBuck]

Curious whether the Bucks could / would trade ZaZa for Koufos.

Grizzlies probably would prefer Henson, especially if they think there is any chance Gasol walks. But they also could see Pachulia as a better fit for winning a championship this season, and further could appreciate his contract being locked in at a fair rate.

Pretty sure Koufos is unrestricted...so I wouldn't trade anything for him, and let's not KIDD ourselves, ZaZa isn't going anywhere.

Haven't seem much of Koufos since college. Would he be considered a "rich man's Zaza"? And if not, who could we potentially trade for that would give us what Zaza gives, only significantly better at everything. I like what Zaza tries to do. He's just not very good. In Kidd's system, we need a center who understands his role, can knock down the free throw line extended jumpers, won't get out-athletic-ed for rebounds, and can finish at the rim. Who is that guy and is he available?

Koufos is your rim defender, you bring in O'Quinn as well to platoon with him and play the Zaza role.

[imithanos]

Curious whether the Bucks could / would trade ZaZa for Koufos.

Grizzlies probably would prefer Henson, especially if they think there is any chance Gasol walks. But they also could see Pachulia as a better fit for winning a championship this season, and further could appreciate his contract being locked in at a fair rate.

Pretty sure Koufos is unrestricted...so I wouldn't trade anything for him, and let's not KIDD ourselves, ZaZa isn't going anywhere.

Haven't seem much of Koufos since college. Would he be considered a "rich man's Zaza"? And if not, who could we potentially trade for that would give us what Zaza gives, only significantly better at everything. I like what Zaza tries to do. He's just not very good. In Kidd's system, we need a center who understands his role, can knock down the free throw line extended jumpers, won't get out-athletic-ed for rebounds, and can finish at the rim. Who is that guy and is he available?

Idk how his last 1-2 years development was, but he is a reliable center. That's his strength I believe. He wont do the extra thing, but he can defend and rebound in decent level and attack from both inside and mid-range. Perhaps a younger Gortat? Anyway he is UFA this summer and if Sanders is part of the roster no more, he can easily find 25' in Kidd's rotation. Otherwise with Sanders, Henson and Zaza there is no point to even mention him.

[raferfenix]

My bad, Koufos is unrestricted, which certainly impacts my valuation of him. Here's Marc Stein:

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post ... -wish-list

Koufos, by contrast, is an unrestricted free agent next summer whose camp, sources say, has made it known to Grizzlies management that it has been less than pleased with the limited role carved out for the 7-footer over the past two seasons."

Unless we are real excited to lock him up for 5 years at top dollar I don't know if we'd risk trading for him, as opposed to just dropping some salary and pursuing him -- or whoever else -- in the off season.

[M-C-G]

I like what Zaza tries to do. He's just not very good. In Kidd's system, we need a center who understands his role, can knock down the free throw line extended jumpers, won't get out-athletic-ed for rebounds, and can finish at the rim. Who is that guy and is he available?

Off the top of my head, Marc Gasol.

I just don't see us finding a "complete" guy out there...The best I think we can hope for is a guy that gives you the offense and the rebounding, ala Kanter, and hope they system and ZaZa can get him to where we need him to be on D.

Otherwise, a guy like Spencer Hawes will give you some versatility on offense, but I'm not even sure if he has any defensive potential at all.

I haven't watched much of O'Quinn but the board generally thinks highly of him, and he seems to fit the bill as a good passer and rebounder.

Tiago Splitter would be really nice, but I don't think he is a guy you can pry away...plus I am not sure how much of his production is system vs talent.

Kanter is obtainable, young, and fills some holes on this team. He is probably the guy I go after, with OQ or Koufos being right below. But who the hell knows what kind of offers they are going to get.

[M-C-G]

My bad, Koufos is unrestricted, which certainly impacts my valuation of him. Here's Marc Stein:

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post ... -wish-list

Koufos, by contrast, is an unrestricted free agent next summer whose camp, sources say, has made it known to Grizzlies management that it has been less than pleased with the limited role carved out for the 7-footer over the past two seasons."

Unless we are real excited to lock him up for 5 years at top dollar I don't know if we'd risk trading for him, as opposed to just dropping some salary and pursuing him -- or whoever else -- in the off season.

There seem to be quite a few centers (or PF/C) on the market this year...will be interesting to see how it plays out;
Gasol, Monroe, Kostas, OQ, DeAndre Jordan, Vucevic, Asik, Robin Lopez, Kanter (R), Wright, Chandler, Garnett

Somebody is going to be left out in the cold...I am sure there will be value to be had.

[mlloyd10]

Bucks get: Perkins/Lamb
Thunder get: Ilyasova/Afflalo
Nuggets get: Jackson

[Ron Swanson]

So is there any chance the Clippers don't re-sign DeAndre Jordan?

I'd easily throw him a max contract, but you'd also have about 10 other teams that would do the same...

[Garden Of Edens]

I was thinking

Bucks get Lawson and Afflalo
Nuggets get Jackson and Lamb
Thunder get Ersan and Middelton

[TroyD92]

I'd be terrified giving Jordan a max contract. He's a product of Blake and Paul.

[LUKE23]

I was thinking

Bucks get Lawson and Afflalo
Nuggets get Jackson and Lamb
Thunder get Ersan and Middelton

Rather keep Middleton and draft a PG. No reason to add a 27 and 29 year old player to this current core, especially when Parker won't be 100% until mid season next year probably.

[Insomniaac]

So is there any chance the Clippers don't re-sign DeAndre Jordan?

I'd easily throw him a max contract, but you'd also have about 10 other teams that would do the same...

I doubt they let him go. And I might just be lower on him than a lot of people but even if he was leaving LA I don't think I'd give him a max deal

[Ron Swanson]

I'd be terrified giving Jordan a max contract. He's a product of Blake and Paul.

I don't think Blake and Paul have much to do with his monster rebounding and block numbers, but his blistering efficiency (73% from the field ) probably takes a dip without CP3.

Probably a moot point though considering they'll likely do anything to retain him.

[Treebeard]

My bad, Koufos is unrestricted, which certainly impacts my valuation of him. Here's Marc Stein:

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post ... -wish-list" target="_blank

Koufos, by contrast, is an unrestricted free agent next summer whose camp, sources say, has made it known to Grizzlies management that it has been less than pleased with the limited role carved out for the 7-footer over the past two seasons."

Unless we are real excited to lock him up for 5 years at top dollar I don't know if we'd risk trading for him, as opposed to just dropping some salary and pursuing him -- or whoever else -- in the off season.

There seem to be quite a few centers (or PF/C) on the market this year...will be interesting to see how it plays out;
Gasol, Monroe, Kostas, OQ, DeAndre Jordan, Vucevic, Asik, Robin Lopez, Kanter (R), Wright, Chandler, Garnett

Somebody is going to be left out in the cold...I am sure there will be value to be had.

Plus, isn't the percieved strength of the upcoming draft supposed to be the front court guys?

[TroyD92]

I'd be terrified giving Jordan a max contract. He's a product of Blake and Paul.

I don't think Blake and Paul have much to do with his monster rebounding and block numbers, but his blistering efficiency (73% from the field ) probably takes a dip without CP3.

Probably a moot point though considering they'll likely do anything to retain him.

True. I think not having Blake around will hurt his overall numbers. CP3 being gone will obviously severely impact his FG%. I could see him still having a stellar career somewhere else, but I think it's a lot more risky than I'd like.

[skywalker33]

Bucks get: Perkins/Lamb
Thunder get: Ilyasova/Afflalo
Nuggets get: Jackson

AA for Jackson isn't going to work, perhaps MIL could add a 2nd or two to make it fair.

[mlloyd10]

Bucks get: Perkins/Lamb
Thunder get: Ilyasova/Afflalo
Nuggets get: Jackson

AA for Jackson isn't going to work, perhaps MIL could add a 2nd or two to make it fair.

DO you think that AA has more value than that? I mean, I wouldn't object to adding a 2nd