Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[mattg]

MCW is terrible for more than atrocious shooting. People who haven't seen him enough seem to think he's a great playmaker or passer, which isn't even close to true. He's willing to pass the ball sure, but he struggles even more than knight in terms of running the offense, deciding when to pass vs. shoot. When he does penetrate he is wild and out of control, which combined with a loose handle leads to many turnovers. This also makes it near impossible to build a decent offense based around what he does, because it's so unreliable. Further, he's had these same weaknesses since college and hasn't improved his skill level at all since then, and since he's pretty old for his experience level it is concerning that he won't improve much more.

In my view, saying MCW could be the playmaker our lineup needs is ludicrous because in order for MCW to be an impactful NBA player, his role basically needs to be completely reversed. He needs to be a defensive guard who only attacks in transition, doesn't play on ball, and slashes to the rim in the halfcourt. Like a poor man's Iman Shumpert of sorts. I just wonder what about a guard that has crappy ball skills, is an atrocious shooter and scorer in general, and is highly turnover prone screams "we need to put this guy at PG and let him create for our team!" People need to stop creaming their shorts over "big PGs" who literally do nothing well at that position aside from defend and have size.

[BMatt07]

I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

Lol.. have you seen MCW try and shoot a basketball?

I want no part of that project.

Why does he have to be a shooter? He can penetrate, and make good passes, and if you absolutely need it, shooting is something most players continue to improve on as they age.

MCW is post injury Livingston on steroids. A solid pass first PG who can get into the defense with little effort, and has a massive height advantage for his position, which would work great in Kidd's system.

Most teams that sustain offensive success always have one shooter and one playmaker on the court. Knight is actually shooting top 10 in the league on catch and shoot 3pt shots this year, as is Middleton. Knight, Giannis, and Jabari are good play makers. What MCW brings to the table are things none of our current pieces of the core can do in terms of size mismatch at the guard slot in the paint, premiere passing ability (Marshall is out, but I do think he can do that as well, and would be an ideal 20mpg backup for us behind MCW).

If you guys are honestly going to try and tell me that MCW is terrible because he cannot shoot, and you are going to ignore all the other variables, just does not seem like a strong argument on your parts.

Lol saying that MCW isn't a shooter would be a gross understatement, he shoots 38% from the field, and 25% from behind the arc, he makes Marcus Smart look like Kyle Korver. I want no part of a PG that can't stretch the floor, that will only make life harder for Parker, Giannis, and the other bigs inside.

MCW is also the exact opposite of a "premier passer." His assist/turnover ratio is a paltry 1.65 (65th in the NBA), for comparison sake, Brandon Knight is a 1.57, Ty Lawson is a 3.74, and Chris Paul is 4.51. MCW is a terrible ball handler, and a poor passer, there's a reason why no one in the NBA averages more turnovers per game than him.

No thanks to MCW.

[breakchains]

This is all based on another fabricated "rumor" anyway. Philly would trade MCW but I highly doubt it would be for a heavily protected 2017 pick. If you want to advocate trading our 2015 1st for him then do that, as that is at least more realistic. But making up something about how Philly would take an old vet and a heavily protected 2017 1st and then saying we should give that up is pointless.

[mlloyd10]

IF MCW only costed us the clippers 2017 1st, I would do it. Just think, if MCW comes in, play PG and moves Knight to the 2. If he plays well, we might not have to pay Knight and could get an asset for him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

On pure value MCW for the Clips pick would be a good move (I highly doubt Phily take such a crap package). But I don't think he's a good fit for this Bucks team. He and Giannis would be a really bad offensive parring. Guards who can't shoot are tough on any offense but are an absolute disaster when paired with another wing who also can't shoot. It's kills your spacing and makes it easy for teams to cheat off those two and double.

[mlloyd10]

Poll Question

Would you rather have MCW or Knight running point?

[M-C-G]

I could see a scenario where OKC loads up on "win now" players, and a three way deal between PHI and MKE is put together.

Not saying I would do this, but I could see MCW coming back to the Bucks as a piece to get it done.

OKC IN: Kirlenko, Duds, ZaZa
OKC OUT: Lamb, McGary, Perkins

Now Lamb could be coming back to us, but since it is looking like we may need a PG more than a SG, he could go to PHI in exchange for MCW.

PHI IN: Lamb, JOB
PHI OUT: Kirlenko, MCW

MKE IN: McGary, MCW, Perkins
MKE OUT: Duds, ZaZa, JOB

Basically, we buy low on a PG with 2 more years, and get McGary as nice extra piece for some win now vets. I'm not saying it would happen, or we should do it, but I could see how it makes some sense, and you get MCW for not much.

[mattg]

Poll Question

Would you rather have MCW or Knight running point?

Knight 100 times out of 100. At least he's a pretty good scorer and can shoot.

[mlloyd10]

I could see a scenario where OKC loads up on "win now" players, and a three way deal between PHI and MKE is put together.

Not saying I would do this, but I could see MCW coming back to the Bucks as a piece to get it done.

OKC IN: Kirlenko, Duds, ZaZa
OKC OUT: Lamb, McGary, Perkins

Now Lamb could be coming back to us, but since it is looking like we may need a PG more than a SG, he could go to PHI in exchange for MCW.

PHI IN: Lamb, JOB
PHI OUT: Kirlenko, MCW

MKE IN: McGary, MCW, Perkins
MKE OUT: Duds, ZaZa, JOB

Basically, we buy low on a PG with 2 more years, and get McGary as nice extra piece for some win now vets. I'm not saying it would happen, or we should do it, but I could see how it makes some sense, and you get MCW for not much.

I dont see us making any moves that make us worse this year

[M-C-G]

I could see a scenario where OKC loads up on "win now" players, and a three way deal between PHI and MKE is put together.

Not saying I would do this, but I could see MCW coming back to the Bucks as a piece to get it done.

OKC IN: Kirlenko, Duds, ZaZa
OKC OUT: Lamb, McGary, Perkins

Now Lamb could be coming back to us, but since it is looking like we may need a PG more than a SG, he could go to PHI in exchange for MCW.

PHI IN: Lamb, JOB
PHI OUT: Kirlenko, MCW

MKE IN: McGary, MCW, Perkins
MKE OUT: Duds, ZaZa, JOB

Basically, we buy low on a PG with 2 more years, and get McGary as nice extra piece for some win now vets. I'm not saying it would happen, or we should do it, but I could see how it makes some sense, and you get MCW for not much.

I dont see us making any moves that make us worse this year

My point was to illustrate a way that MCW could be acquired at a relatively low cost. I think it is more likely Dudley is inked to a 5 year extension than he is to be traded this season.

[breakchains]

Doubt we could get just McGary for that package. I would easily do it (even for just McGary, forgetting about MCW) if we could. McGary is a guy I'd definitely be calling about and offering up any of our vets and our Clips pick for.

[Wisky4life]

I think we should sign Seth Curry to a 10 day contract, then brain wash him to make him think he is Stephen. Then we have an all star SG.

[jakecronus8]

Poll Question

Would you rather have MCW or Knight running point?

One of the few guys I would take Knight over as far as starting point guards are concerned.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Poll Question

Would you rather have MCW or Knight running point?

Knight without even really thinking about it. At least he can put the ball in the hoop after all his dribbling around.

Apart from being 6'6 light-skinned black guys that play PG I don't think he plays anything like Livingston. To me he's more like a worse Brandon Jennings with added perks that come with being 6'6.

[Giannis Parker]

Three PG's in the league average 15ppg or more at or under the age of 23, and of those 3 PG, he is 2nd in A/To ratio, first in apg, but also worst in tpg. His shooting is clearly an issue with a less than average TS% (damaged greatly by poor free throw shooting and likely too many 3pt attempts). However he has an Ass % of 41% meaning the dude clearly looks to pass first, but is also sadly one of the better scoring options on his team which leads to his 27% usage rate, which is a glaring issue regarding the 76ers roster, not MCW.

Bottom line, almost every single issue other than shooting is fixed on the Bucks when he would be playing with adequate talent. With the Bucks I think he would have a usage of around 15% leading to around 6-8 shots per game, but those shots would be purely at the basket or in post up situations on smaller PG's.

The guy has glaring issues, but also has a strong skill set to work with in terms of a "pure pg" and on a team with a coach who gets the most out of players, not sure how you can just assume MCW has an issue with being the PG and looking to get others involved.

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[eagle13]

Two trades that are both win now and own the future. Even injury depleted, the Bucks are making the playoffs. Adding these guys make us deeper and better. Both bigs are good rebounders helping our biggest weakness. Plus their all young. And being RFAs we are unlikely to loose either of them for nothing. I know some of you are obsessed with all 1st draft picks no matter how late. Most years picks after 10/11/12 are a total crapshoot to me. I’d rather have a young vet who is playing well now and can still develop.


1) three teams six players
MIL- dudley obryant 1st // oquinn ennis
PHX- plumlee ennis bullock // dudley obryant marble 1st
ORL- OQuinn marble // plumlee bullock

2) ersan 1st – UT – Kanter


ROSTER
zaza / kanter
henson / oquinn / martin
giannis / middleton
knight / mayo
bayless / gutierez / ennis

[Chapter29]

Poll Question

Would you rather have MCW or Knight running point?

Knight. Not a MCW fan. Hoped he'd be a player coming out of college. Don't think he is, but I am not sure what his chances are at SG. A SG who can't shoot? Hmmmmm.

[AussieBuck]

Stun that the Knight fans like MCW.

[VooDoo7]

Stun that the Knight fans like MCW.

One particular person is a terrible PG evaluator, that's for sure.

[dc634]

Stun that the Knight fans like MCW.

There seems to only be one relentless "fan" of Knight, the rest who keep an upbeat attitude about him are fueled by the overstated dislike of the guy that litters the forum here. Also one person seems to really like MCW that has commented so that generalization is silly.