Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

ampd · Post #3141 » by **ampd** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:16 am

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AussieBuck wrote:Stun that the Knight fans like MCW.

Not me.

I was intrigued by him coming out but in the nba he's pretty much morphed into the opposite of what had people high on him.

He was supposed to be a very good defender and passer with the size to switch and create matchup problems. Instead he's been a slow not particularly good passer or defender and has developed all kinds of bad habits.

I'd still take a flier on him but I wouldn't give up anything significant to do it.

that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

SkilesTheLimit · Post #3142 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:33 am

I'm not a supporter of Knight as a PG and not surprisingly wouldn't want MCW running point either.

While I would be willing to take him for next to nothing (in the event Kidd could make something out of him) the fact is he and guys like Knight fill a stat sheet.

And even in today's NBA when teams have lots of data at their disposal, surface level stats still resonate with many teams.

TroyD92 · Post #3143 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:41 am

Giannis Parker wrote:Three PG's in the league average 15ppg or more at or under the age of 23, and of those 3 PG, he is 2nd in A/To ratio, first in apg, but also worst in tpg. His shooting is clearly an issue with a less than average TS% (damaged greatly by poor free throw shooting and likely too many 3pt attempts). However he has an Ass % of 41% meaning the dude clearly looks to pass first, but is also sadly one of the better scoring options on his team which leads to his 27% usage rate, which is a glaring issue regarding the 76ers roster, not MCW.

Bottom line, almost every single issue other than shooting is fixed on the Bucks when he would be playing with adequate talent. With the Bucks I think he would have a usage of around 15% leading to around 6-8 shots per game, but those shots would be purely at the basket or in post up situations on smaller PG's.

The guy has glaring issues, but also has a strong skill set to work with in terms of a "pure pg" and on a team with a coach who gets the most out of players, not sure how you can just assume MCW has an issue with being the PG and looking to get others involved.

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You need to stop. Honestly. I like that you bring a different perspective, but it's getting ridiculous. His skill set is weak. No shooting, bad passer, bad decision maker, loose handles. What strong skills does he possess?

blazza18 · Post #3144 » by **blazza18** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:18 am

MCW triple dub tonight.

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AussieBuck · Post #3145 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:18 am

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AussieBuck wrote:Stun that the Knight fans like MCW.

Not me.

I was intrigued by him coming out but in the nba he's pretty much morphed into the opposite of what had people high on him.

He was supposed to be a very good defender and passer with the size to switch and create matchup problems. Instead he's been a slow not particularly good passer or defender and has developed all kinds of bad habits.

I'd still take a flier on him but I wouldn't give up anything significant to do it.

that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

Yeah not you but a few of the other guys want him to be the tall PG next to Knight guy.

Prince12 · Post #3146 » by **Prince12** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:34 am

Such a hater AB, Knight and MCW would be great to watch

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #3147 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:44 am

ampd wrote:
that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

this sums it up for me. hes in a worse spot than knight was with the pistons if that's possible.

Prince12 · Post #3148 » by **Prince12** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:53 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
ampd wrote:
that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

this sums it up for me. hes in a worse spot than knight was with the pistons if that's possible.

It's definately possible, as the years go by I have no doubt the bad teams will get embarrassingly worse in there attempts to lose, to get better. Eventually forcing the lottery system to change. I know that really isn't relevant to this conversation just throwing it out there that all this purposeful losing could really effect players futures.

AussieBuck · Post #3149 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:01 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
ampd wrote:
that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

this sums it up for me. hes in a worse spot than knight was with the pistons if that's possible.

Knight got to play off ball a bunch at Detroit, that wasn't bad for him at all.

Rockmaninoff · Post #3150 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:56 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
ampd wrote:
that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

this sums it up for me. hes in a worse spot than knight was with the pistons if that's possible.

I think it would be interesting to see MCW under Kidd and with the current roster. I'd take a flyer if he was cheap. He's got the length to fit in defensively, and I think his efficiency would increase if he was doing less.

Think we really need a center more, though.

Baddy Chuck · Post #3151 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:40 am

MCW could be a decent defending Ramon Sessions in the right opportunity I guess.

AussieBuck · Post #3152 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:25 pm

I suppose I'd let our shooting coaches look at him and see if he can be a SG.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #3153 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:12 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
ampd wrote:
that said the 76ers are so bad that their badness is devaluing their prospects and stunting their growth. If MCW got moved to a team with some solid examples and good coaching he might look a lot different. I'm not paying what they'd likely be asking to find out though

this sums it up for me. hes in a worse spot than knight was with the pistons if that's possible.

Knight got to play off ball a bunch at Detroit, that wasn't bad for him at all.

he probably got a ton of poontang and ice cream in Detroit too. and whose that bad for right? :thumbsup:

but what the heck poontang, ice cream, and playing 2 gaurd has to do with the point we tried to make I don't know :dontknow:

AussieBuck · Post #3154 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:15 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
this sums it up for me. hes in a worse spot than knight was with the pistons if that's possible.

Knight got to play off ball a bunch at Detroit, that wasn't bad for him at all.

he probably got a ton of puntang and ice cream in Detroit too. and whose that bad for right?

but what the heck puntang, ice cream, and playing 2 gaurd has to do with the point we tried to make I don't know

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Wisky4life · Post #3155 » by **Wisky4life** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:33 pm

I want some trades to happen, but what is the realm of possibility that our 1st and clips 1st and maybe some 2nds could get us a top 5 pick? I would love to add a big man or pg to the (2.5/3 of our future) "Adding Middleton to it now = .5"

Wisky4life · Post #3156 » by **Wisky4life** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:35 pm

People have been talking about the Salmons trade a few years back lately. What is a realistic trade opportunity that we could do, to give a spark for the remainder of the season but hopefully not give a long term contract to?

raferfenix · Post #3157 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:51 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:MCW could be a decent defending Ramon Sessions in the right opportunity I guess.

Is this the kind of prospect we trade anything for?

That's not to say Philly would take our offer. But if we really want to move Knight off the ball before deciding how much we should pay him, we need to do something.

raferfenix · Post #3158 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:57 pm

Wisky4life wrote:People have been talking about the Salmons trade a few years back lately. What is a realistic trade opportunity that we could do, to give a spark for the remainder of the season but hopefully not give a long term contract to?

I'm just hoping we don't have a repeat of that exact scenario with some kind of Afflalo trade.

machu46 · Post #3159 » by **machu46** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:17 pm

If we had faith that Giannis and or Jabari ever become average or better shooters, I'd love to add MCW. I know he's not that popular around here, but I think he'd be a great player on a team with more talent around him. Just not sure we are the right fit with Knight and Middleton as the only "core" guys that can shoot.

Nebula1 · Post #3160 » by **Nebula1** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:57 pm

Would you?

Two separate trades:

DMO, Papa, Canaan for John Henson and Jared Dudley

Shved, Pel Pick for Knight

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=onf2w8e

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ponvsd6

Bucks trade Ersan in separate deal