Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

skywalker33 · Post #3181 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 12:53 am

ampd wrote:I'd consider lowballing for....

That seems to be prevalent around here, but why no trades gets done. Did like your win vs. POR, very impressive.

Frank Nova · Post #3182 » by **Frank Nova** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 2:50 am

LUKE23 wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:Are there still Bucks fans that really believe we are going to miss the playoffs? Trade targets aside I seen Luke23 mention something about pick 13/14... Just wanted to know if that's a consensus feeling or just a gut feeling from someone desperately hoping we end up in the lotto? Thanks.

As for me, I'd love to recreate the FTD team and make that John Salmons esque move to help push the needle.

And if Frank Kaminsky is anyone's 1st round target then God help us all... If ur hoping for a lotto pick and a total waste of a year so we can draft him then that's just pathetic.

Is your browser not working, or did you just choose to pick random sentences from a few posts and then make up your own story?

Lol, I guess u could say that? Idk, more like an observation I made rather than a story I just made up.

At this point I'm looking to bring in someone to push the needle that can help Immediately and for the foreseeable future. Id love to cut some dead weight (Ersan/Larry) and use picks to gain assets rather than sell off the players helping us win. I was a huge pro tank advocate before the season started but I never expected Knight to play like an all star, Dudley,'Mayo, Bayless and Middleton to be efficient and effective shooters/scorers, Giannis to take such a huge step and Zaza and Henson to be a formidable center rotation... We have a great thing blossoming and we need to start figuring out ways to make it better and not be worried about breaking down the roster. The chemistry is amazing, we are really just lacking a dominant ball handler and another big capable of rebounding and protecting the rim. So basically someone to upgrade from Marshall and someone to replace Larry. Let's get to the 2nd round of the playoffs this year and build from it, that should be the main objective/goal. Well that's what I'm personally hoping for.

Chuck Diesel · Post #3183 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:23 am

Ersan, Johnny O'Bryant & a 2nd rounder to Utah for Trevor Booker & Steve Novak.

Wisky4life · Post #3184 » by **Wisky4life** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 7:04 am

How about Ersan, JOB3, Larry, Zaza for a player and 20 draft picks. Apparently we can play well enough without them, might as well sell out.

Buckfan76 · Post #3185 » by **Buckfan76** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 10:30 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lv6qv7s

Houston gets: Knight and Zaza. With Howard down they sub in Zaza to start with DMO. Knight becomes their PG or so called PG.

Jazz get: J. Terry, & T. Jones. Terry is a nice expiring deal and T. Jones would be a nice compliment to Favors.

We get: T. Booker, T. Burke, Capela, Cannan, NOP 1st. First of all we'd waive K. Martin, and hopefully buyout Sanders. With this trade we get a 1st rd pick this year, and Capela who is supposedly really talented, Cannan is just a bench PG, Booker can play the 4 with the hope that we'd start Henson @ the 5, and then Burke could start at PG. NOW I know that some will Burke isn't anything special but I think Kidd could mold him. I also thought we could trade T. Jones if we just traded with Hous. and someone and a pick to Philly for MCW?

Thoughts?

Jez2983 · Post #3186 » by **Jez2983** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 10:50 am

Sorry, why are we trading for Trevor Booker? Did I miss something???

Buckfan76 · Post #3187 » by **Buckfan76** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 11:46 am

He would be backing up Sova Jez2983.

Jez2983 · Post #3188 » by **Jez2983** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:05 pm

Buckfan76 wrote:He would be backing up Sova Jez2983.

I think we need prospects and picks, not Booker.

Also, my comment wasn't just to you.

AussieBuck · Post #3189 » by **AussieBuck** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:07 pm

Jez2983 wrote:
Buckfan76 wrote:He would be backing up Sova Jez2983.

I think we need prospects and picks, not Booker.

Also, my comment wasn't just to you.

Hi Jez, I can confirm that we do not at all need Booker. He's kind of like old man K Mart except he thinks he's a stretch four IMO.

Giannis Parker · Post #3190 » by **Giannis Parker** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:02 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Because a lotto pick for Knight and Henson for DMo, who has probably shown the most of either player, is good value.

You sir are insane....

Explain to me how Knight has much more value than a lottery pick or Henson has much more value than DMO. I get that you're in love with Knight, but even you'd have to see that if we did trade him, and I'm not saying we will, he isn't worth much more than that if at all.

In regards to the lotto pick, it is likely going to be 14, and may not even be a lotto pick, the Pelicans have a chance to grab 8th, it is small, but possible. Knight being graded next to a lotto pick is going to depend on the season. Would I trade Knight for a lotto pick in the 10-14 range last year? I would strongly consider it, there was value at those spots. But would I even remotely consider trading Knight for 10-14 this year, heck no, I see 2 players in this draft with All-Star potential, and would be shocked if more than a handful became NBA starters after those 2 players At the least, assuming no progression, Knight is a good starter in the NBA, it would be selling low to take a 10-14 pick in a weak draft.

In regards to Henson and Dmo, for me it is just preference. I feel that Henson better fits a need for our team with his defensive ability, and he has been progressing very nicely under Kidd with Foster's assistance.

Chemthethriller · Post #3191 » by **Chemthethriller** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:59 pm

How about a trade like this:

Bucks receive: Landry Fields, Stimesma (tor)
Raptors receive: Knight and Sanders
76ers receive: Ersan, Chuck Hayes, MKE 2nd, TOR 2nd

Salaries work out on trade machine. This trade is basically giving away Knight when his value is high enough to remove Sanders from our roster. TOR gets scoring, and takes Sanders on with a possibilty of talking him back into playing. 76ers take on salary and receive more draft picks. MKE receives cap relief for the next 4 years dumping larry, also avoids overpaying for a volume shooting medicore PG. We dump both Fields and Stim after this year opening up 34m (roughly) in cap room for this offseason.

LUKE23 · Post #3192 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:08 pm

Chemthethriller wrote:How about a trade like this:

Bucks receive: Landry Fields, Stimesma (tor)
Raptors receive: Knight and Sanders
76ers receive: Ersan, Chuck Hayes, MKE 2nd, TOR 2nd

Salaries work out on trade machine. This trade is basically giving away Knight when his value is high enough to remove Sanders from our roster. TOR gets scoring, and takes Sanders on with a possibilty of talking him back into playing. 76ers take on salary and receive more draft picks. MKE receives cap relief for the next 4 years dumping larry, also avoids overpaying for a volume shooting medicore PG. We dump both Fields and Stim after this year opening up 34m (roughly) in cap room for this offseason.

Good God no.

Post #3193 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:14 pm

Chemthethriller wrote:How about a trade like this:

Bucks receive: Landry Fields, Stimesma (tor)
Raptors receive: Knight and Sanders
76ers receive: Ersan, Chuck Hayes, MKE 2nd, TOR 2nd

Salaries work out on trade machine. This trade is basically giving away Knight when his value is high enough to remove Sanders from our roster. TOR gets scoring, and takes Sanders on with a possibilty of talking him back into playing. 76ers take on salary and receive more draft picks. MKE receives cap relief for the next 4 years dumping larry, also avoids overpaying for a volume shooting medicore PG. We dump both Fields and Stim after this year opening up 34m (roughly) in cap room for this offseason.

Sign me up for this one.

We are dumping Sanders and Ersan ($41 million saved after this season) for Brandon Knight. And in the process we open up 3 roster spots on next years squad for rookies or FA's.

The problem with this deal is Sanders. I see no one taking that contract right now.

Wonka · Post #3194 » by **Wonka** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:15 pm

Chemthethriller wrote:How about a trade like this:

Bucks receive: Landry Fields, Stimesma (tor)
Raptors receive: Knight and Sanders
76ers receive: Ersan, Chuck Hayes, MKE 2nd, TOR 2nd

Salaries work out on trade machine. This trade is basically giving away Knight when his value is high enough to remove Sanders from our roster. TOR gets scoring, and takes Sanders on with a possibilty of talking him back into playing. 76ers take on salary and receive more draft picks. MKE receives cap relief for the next 4 years dumping larry, also avoids overpaying for a volume shooting medicore PG. We dump both Fields and Stim after this year opening up 34m (roughly) in cap room for this offseason.

About a month ago, I thought I had seen the worst trade proposal ever. Kudos sir, you have crushed that post.

Post #3195 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:16 pm

Wonka wrote:About a month ago, I thought I had seen the worst trade proposal ever. Kudos sir, you have crushed that post.

I almost feel like you guys aren't reading his trade and thinking "Knight for Fields".

This clears out our deadweight, opens roster spots and prevents us from having to overpay Knight this summer for another $50 million.

M-C-G · Post #3196 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:19 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Wonka wrote:About a month ago, I thought I had seen the worst trade proposal ever. Kudos sir, you have crushed that post.

I almost feel like you guys aren't reading his trade and thinking "Knight for Fields".

This clears out our deadweight, opens roster spots and prevents us from having to overpay Knight this summer for another $50 million.

And, you could actually still make an offer to Knight if you really want to, and you still have gotten rid of Ersan and Sanders in the process.

Wonka · Post #3197 » by **Wonka** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:23 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Wonka wrote:About a month ago, I thought I had seen the worst trade proposal ever. Kudos sir, you have crushed that post.

I almost feel like you guys aren't reading his trade and thinking "Knight for Fields".

This clears out our deadweight, opens roster spots and prevents us from having to overpay Knight this summer for another $50 million.

Don't you think there is a way to clear out the dead weight while still getting a solid young asset back though? Believe me, I am all for clearing cap room, but I think we could do a much better job clearing it with trading Knight, Sanders, and Ers, as well as bringing back a young piece.

M-C-G · Post #3198 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:29 pm

Wonka wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Wonka wrote:About a month ago, I thought I had seen the worst trade proposal ever. Kudos sir, you have crushed that post.

I almost feel like you guys aren't reading his trade and thinking "Knight for Fields".

This clears out our deadweight, opens roster spots and prevents us from having to overpay Knight this summer for another $50 million.

Don't you think there is a way to clear out the dead weight while still getting a solid young asset back though? Believe me, I am all for clearing cap room, but I think we could do a much better job clearing it with trading Knight, Sanders, and Ers, as well as bringing back a young piece.

I think you are significantly underestimating how negative of value Sanders is.

Ron Swanson · Post #3199 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:31 pm

I'd just as rather buy out Sanders and trade Ersan for whatever scraps we can get. I think people are really overrating the need for cap room and roster spots.

If we can dump future salary by taking on expirings and adding 2nds or a guy like JOB then I'm all for it, but attaching a real asset like Knight just to break even? That's not something I'd be interested in.

ampd · Post #3200 » by **ampd** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:38 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'd just as rather buy out Sanders and trade Ersan for whatever scraps we can get. I think people are really overrating the need for cap room and roster spots.

If we can dump future salary by taking on expirings and adding 2nds or a guy like JOB then I'm all for it, but attaching a real asset like Knight just to break even? That's not something I'd be interested in.

Yeah we're ahead of the curve but even if we revise down from the 5 year plan to 3 we are still 2 years from really needino to go all in if everything works out.

By then ersan is off the books doing nothing and we can buy out and stretch larry or maybe he comes back.

The other guys like Zaza mayo and bayless all expire after next season.

I don't see a need to give up.assets for cap room with the soon to inflate cap and our time table