#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[Frank Nova]

Dalembert is def no allstar stud center but he's had a solid career anchoring the defensive side of the ball and protecting the rim. Somethin the bucks needed badly.  Zeller will be lucky as heck to ever reach the ceiling of a dalembert type. I don't ever see that happening.  Meyers Leonard has a ceiling of probably being as good as dalembert.  Taking 1 of those 2 goons over making this trade would have been atrocious forreal. Being against this trade or thinking it was bad is beyond idiotic. The talent at 14 is identical to 12. Literately IDENTICAL. Adding Dalembert and dismissing Zeller/Leonard and/or trading up for Henson is a dream come true.

[raferfenix]

If the Rockets are not linked to Gasol, and we are making win now moves, indeed we could be looking at Gasol.

Assume this board doesn't want it, but if the Bucks are focused resolutely on winning now as usual, we might see paying Gasol more for a few years as a better investment than giving Ersan a longer and riskier contract.

And we would probably have to deal Gooden to make it work contract wise. So at least there would be that.

I could see the Lakers wanting Brandon + a throw in.

Obviously wouldn't do it.

How valuable is Gasol now really? I know the Lakers were rumored to be asking for #3, but that had to be pure posturing.

Maybe something like this even will end up fitting the bill:

Bucks trade: Udrih, Gooden, Moute, #14
Lakers trade: Gasol

Why for the Lakers

Lakers clear rap room with Udrih, and stock up a front court to prepare to play against Lebron and Durant for the forseeable future.

Few teams in the league would value Moute as much, and Mike Brown started Gooden in Cleveland, so they might view him positively even.

Why for the Bucks

If we want to really win now, getting Gasol helps there in a big way.

I'm sure most of this board would rather we resign Ersan (which isn't happening in this scenario), but this would certainly be the kind of move we've grown accustomed to here, for better or worse.

[SpursNBucks]

It's a good move for the Bucks as well. The only bad thing is that you parted with Jon Leuer who will be a good player. But Dalembert is a huge upgrade and you desperately needed a C.

Leuer looks to be a decent role player, but a role player and 2 scrubs for a good Center while only moving down 2 spots is hard to get upset about.

He also is in the last year of a $6mil contract so - I don't get how you can POSSIBLY not like this trade?

Because of Leuer? Are you kidding me?

[Nuntius]

It's a good move for the Bucks as well. The only bad thing is that you parted with Jon Leuer who will be a good player. But Dalembert is a huge upgrade and you desperately needed a C.

Leuer looks to be a decent role player, but a role player and 2 scrubs for a good Center while only moving down 2 spots is hard to get upset about.

It certainly is not a trade to get upset about. It's pretty much the definition of a win-win trade. You get something you need and Houston gets something they need as well.

[msiris]

Lol ur arguing about a 10yr vets bball iq, really? Dalembert found his niche in the league several years ago and has been very effective at it. Ive never seen Daly shoot contested 3s, turn around fade aways from 18 ft, try and beat his man off the dribble from the 3 point line etc etc. and I've never seen Gooden protect the paint/rim, anchor a defense or score efficiently. Sounds like ur just hating, just to be a hater.

Just read any scouting report on him. He has a very low basketball IQ. The last four years he has average 23 minutes a game. People think he will come in and play 30 minutes a game. Not going to happen. At this point he is a back up center.

[WEFFPIM]

I think this was a solid step in the right direction.

This is not the right direction.

It's a solid step in the direction the Bucks like to go in, as opposed to a hilarious step in the direction the Bucks like to go in.

[RandyBreuer]

Don't know how ANYONE can bitch about this trade - they move back two and probably will get the same player there as #12 pick- they no longer have to go for a Center - so you can truly go with BPA- I hope that is Ross.

They gave up Leuer- but he is no where near the prospect of Udoh or Sanders- if you think so you are UW color blind. This was a very end of the bench guy. Dalembert is a huge upgrade at Center for the Bucks - and we know he will own Golden State for sure.

No one should be having a problem with this trade- they now can look to the best player available.

Well said, agree 100%

[Nuntius]

It's a good move for the Bucks as well. The only bad thing is that you parted with Jon Leuer who will be a good player. But Dalembert is a huge upgrade and you desperately needed a C.

Leuer looks to be a decent role player, but a role player and 2 scrubs for a good Center while only moving down 2 spots is hard to get upset about.

He also is in the last year of a $6mil contract so - I don't get how you can POSSIBLY not like this trade?

Because of Leuer? Are you kidding me?

Relax my friend. No one said that anyone dislikes the trade

[jr lucosa]

Leuer looks to be a decent role player, but a role player and 2 scrubs for a good Center while only moving down 2 spots is hard to get upset about.

This is ignoring age and finances. Dalmbert is decent. He's also old and makes what, $6 million more than Leuer? Some of that will be made up for by the difference in contracts between 12 and 14 but Leuer's cheapness made him valuable. Also, Dalembert will only be in Milwaukee for one year or Hammond will have to re-sign him, and we all know how much money Hammond loves to throw at guys on the wrong side of 30. This could conceivably get ugly.

Yeah sure, but you could say that about any guy past 30 they bring in. I am scared every off-season that we will throw some big offer at a guy above 30 so having Sammy on our team doesn't really effect that. As far as "win now" moves go, this was a good one.

[raysbookclub]

yep, this was a good trade for the Bucks. Clear the PF glut, add a solid rotation C, and open up 2 roster spots. Will be disappointed if Ross gets picked #12 or #13.

If that were to happen, I'd be happy trading down further, I don't think we're getting a guy at #14 that is that preferable to a guy later. After Ross, I'd be just as happy with Barton as I'd be with Lamb or T Jones.

Or trading up to the top 5...

[Newz]

Not much else needs to be said.

I guess I don't get the Sanders love. Sanders looks far closer to being out of the league than to being a productive big. There's nothing there to hold onto, except that he blocks a few shots while fouling at an astronomical rate. Well, maybe he's the next Joel Anthony. Woohoo.

The Larry Sanders' love? Because I'm saying he's better than Jon Leuer?

[Sherman Douglas]

Another totally pointless move that will be sure to help the Bucks hover around 35-40 wins for another year. Hooray.

Someone put this team out of its misery.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Don't know how ANYONE can bitch about this trade - they move back two and probably will get the same player there as #12 pick- they no longer have to go for a Center - so you can truly go with BPA- I hope that is Ross.

They gave up Leuer- but he is no where near the prospect of Udoh or Sanders- if you think so you are UW color blind. This was a very end of the bench guy. Dalembert is a huge upgrade at Center for the Bucks - and we know he will own Golden State for sure.

No one should be having a problem with this trade- they now can look to the best player available.

Well said, agree 100%

If we weren't going to take BPA anyway than it probably wasn't to matter.

[JoeHova]

97 PPG given up while Sanders is on the floor. 109 PPG when he wasn't.

Fair enough, I suppose. It's just that I have zero belief in the validity of plus/minus numbers and I consider them to be a junk stat. But others don't and that's fine. Hopefully you guys are right about Sanders.

[SpursNBucks]

Dalembert is def no allstar stud center but he's had a solid career anchoring the defensive side of the ball and protecting the rim. Somethin the bucks needed badly.  Zeller will be lucky as heck to ever reach the ceiling of a dalembert type. I don't ever see that happening.  Meyers Leonard has a ceiling of probably being as good as dalembert.  Taking 1 of those 2 goons over making this trade would have been atrocious forreal. Being against this trade or thinking it was bad is beyond idiotic. The talent at 14 is identical to 12. Literately IDENTICAL. Adding Dalembert and dismissing Zeller/Leonard and/or trading up for Henson is a dream come true.

x2

[JayMKE]

Not surprised to see people come out the woodwork to praise Hammond once again

The only real positive to this trade is that Skiles can't play Brockman anymore and that Bogut won't come back to own us. We probably won't draft Zeller, Henson, or Leonard. Probably... 14 isn't too early to pick Fab Melo is it tho? Maybe a nice reach on Will Barton.

Dalembert sucks and Sanders/Udoh are both better players.

woohoo we're going for the 9th seed again

[raysbookclub]

nothing wrong with playing Dalembert 20-25mpg and giving the other min to Sanders and a rookie/fa

[LUKE23]

Why are people talking about Dalembert's contract when he's an expiring, makes around $1.5M more than the salary we traded, and we can waive him for $5M saved if we want? This didn't negatively impact our cap at all.

[Nebula1]

I think this was a solid step in the right direction.

This is not the right direction.

Dalembert is going to be a solid mentor for Udoh and Sanders and fills out the bigs fine. Doesn't change any long-term positioning and doesn't push Udoh or Sanders off the floor. I think it will be a decent big rotation and far better than blowing the #12 on Henson.

[jr lucosa]

Dalembert sucks

Nah. Even at this point of his career he is still a good center and the numbers back it up.