Official Tobias Harris watch thread (The End)

[ReasonablySober]

If the Redick trade massively exposes Jennings and saves us from paying him 4/$45 in the long-run, it actually might be worth losing Tobias.

Not if they turn right around and overpay Redick instead.

If we sign Redick for over $11 million sure. That'd be insane.

[KingWing]

If Henson is any good at all the Bucks could've been set for the next 5+ years in the frontcourt with Harris, Henson and Sanders. You already have a high-impact defender in Sanders. Harris was an efficient 15 point per game (and maybe better) scorer. If Henson becomes a player you are set for years.

Why was this so hard to see? Why was the 8th seed more important than a promising future that could've resulted in much better than that with intelligent decision making?

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This...sadly. It's so stupid/obvious that it reeks of horrendous meddling. I can't bringmyself to believe Hammond is dumb enough to make this move without serious pressure from above or even the man behind the curtain himself demanding it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's a single poster here who approves of this trade. Either Hammond is incompetent to a degree that not even we could image, or he has been given explicitly clear marching orders. A trade like this, to me, is in support of the latter. Hammond just received nan extension, so there would be no motivation to pull a panic trade like this.

This trade reminds me of when the Celtics traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rodgers and tony delk. We are going to be haunted ny this trade for years.

[europa]

In my ideal world the Bucks let the vets walk, draft young guys to take their place and we tank the **** outta the season.

You mean like letting Dunleavy walk and then trading Moute and letting a young guy (oh let's just say he'll be 21 years old for the fun of it) take over as the starter? Is that something that would fit into your ideal world?

In order to draft his replacement in '14, yes, that would have been super.

Nice dodge. Bottom line is Harris fits squarely into what you just said would be your ideal world. I get that you like Redick a lot but you have appeared to have done a total 180 when it comes to this team over him. Keeping Harris is exactly the type of thing you've preached for years. He's young, cheap and he's even talented. He's the perfect long-term piece based on what you have long said this team should do. But you're willing to toss it all aside for JJ Redick? I think that's the thing that has puzzled some of us.

[paulpressey25]

Not if they turn right around and overpay Redick instead.

I get that and agree in concept.

But Redick at 4/$32 doesn't horrify me like the Jennings deal. At least with Redick I know he can be sort of an "Ersan" quality asset. He'll help you win some games and be a good guy to have on the roster. Not worth 4/$32 for a team in our position, but not a poison pill like Jennings under a big contract would be.

[Wooderson]

If the Redick trade massively exposes Jennings and saves us from paying him 4/$45 in the long-run, it actually might be worth losing Tobias.

Remote and small silver lining I know.

Like how Hammond not being able to rely on the Bogut injury excuse after that trade would expose his management skills? Instead they get the 9th seed last year and Hammy still gets a 3 year extensions less than a year later.

[H2tObes]

If the Redick trade massively exposes Jennings and saves us from paying him 4/$45 in the long-run, it actually might be worth losing Tobias.

Not if they turn right around and overpay Redick instead.

Much rather overpay for Redick then Jennings. You know where overspending on veterans this summer, might as be actual competent players.

[ReasonablySober]

This trade reminds me of when the Celtics traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rodgers and tony delk. We are going to be haunted ny this trade for years.

One team went onto win the NBA title, the other gave out the worst contract in the game. To Joe Johnson.

[Baddy Chuck]

This trade reminds me of when the Celtics traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rodgers and tony delk. We are going to be haunted ny this trade for years.

One team went onto win the NBA title, the other gave out the worst contract in the game. To Joe Johnson.

They won the title because they traded their JJ Redicks and got bad to get Tobias Harris' who they traded for superstars. Not the other way around.

[ReasonablySober]

Nice dodge. Bottom line is Harris fits squarely into what you just said would be your ideal world. I get that you like Redick a lot but you have appeared to have done a total 180 when it comes to this team over him. Keeping Harris is exactly the type of thing you've preached for years. He's young, cheap and he's even talented. He's the perfect long-term piece based on what you have long said this team should do. But you're willing to toss it all aside for JJ Redick? I think that's the thing that has puzzled some of us.

Dodge? You're the one picking single sentences out of my posts.

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris. If he were a young big like Drummond I'd feel differently. Not all young players are created equally. I simply don't care about giving him up in a deal.

[europa]

If the Redick trade massively exposes Jennings and saves us from paying him 4/$45 in the long-run, it actually might be worth losing Tobias.

Not if they turn right around and overpay Redick instead.

Much rather overpay for Redick then Jennings.

I don't want to overpay for anyone although I agree with you that keeping Redick is preferable to keeping Jennings.

[paul]

I just realized we cant have Tobias Funke jokes anymore either.

Rubbish.

[JayMKE]

If the Redick trade massively exposes Jennings and saves us from paying him 4/$45 in the long-run, it actually might be worth losing Tobias.

Not if they turn right around and overpay Redick instead.

Not only that, it seems like they'll want to keep one of Jennings or Monta. Monta turned down a 2 year extension supposedly, hopefully he doesn't waver. We're in a no win situation right now.

[jimmybones]

But Redick at 4/$32 doesn't horrify me like the Jennings deal. At least with Redick I know he can be sort of an "Ersan" quality asset. He'll help you win some games and be a good guy to have on the roster. Not worth 4/$32 for a team in our position, but not a poison pill like Jennings under a big contract would be.

I see it the same way.

[Baddy Chuck]

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris. If he were a young big like Drummond I'd feel differently. Not all young players are created equally. I simply don't care about giving him up in a deal.

So if they traded Sanders last season and he blew up it would technically be no skin off our backs because some young guys just don't have it right?

[europa]

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris.

I get that. But again, Harris (whether you like him or not) fits squarely into the type of plan you've advocated for years. JJ Redick fits squarely into the type of plan you have hated for years (the endless quest for an 8th seed). I get that you don't like Harris and I get that you do like Redick but it's still curious to me, and apparently others here too, how radically your point of view appears to have changed simply because the Bucks added a veteran you happen to like. I like Redick too and I've been far more agreeable to acquiring vets over the years than you have but this trade smacks of everything the Bucks have done wrong over the years. And of all the people who should hate this trade I would have to think it'd be the people who for years have championed the idea of going cheap and young and avoiding the type of vets who will push the team closer to 40 wins than to a high pick in the lottery.

[ReasonablySober]

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris. If he were a young big like Drummond I'd feel differently. Not all young players are created equally. I simply don't care about giving him up in a deal.

So if they traded Sanders last season and he blew up it would technically be no skin off our backs because some young guys just don't have it right?

Wow, you somehow missed the entire point of that post. Are you saying Sanders is equal to Harris as a prospect?

[paul]

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris. If he were a young big like Drummond I'd feel differently. Not all young players are created equally. I simply don't care about giving him up in a deal.

So if they traded Sanders last season and he blew up it would technically be no skin off our backs because some young guys just don't have it right?

20 (or even 23) year old's with talent don't get better when given opportunity. Ask Skiles.

[Baddy Chuck]

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris. If he were a young big like Drummond I'd feel differently. Not all young players are created equally. I simply don't care about giving him up in a deal.

So if they traded Sanders last season and he blew up it would technically be no skin off our backs because some young guys just don't have it right?

Wow, you somehow missed the entire point of that post. Are you saying Sanders is equal to Harris as a prospect?

He was possibly a worse a prospect in his second year.

[paul]

Maybe you're simply missing the point: I don't give a **** about losing Tobias Harris. If he were a young big like Drummond I'd feel differently. Not all young players are created equally. I simply don't care about giving him up in a deal.

So if they traded Sanders last season and he blew up it would technically be no skin off our backs because some young guys just don't have it right?

Wow, you somehow missed the entire point of that post. Are you saying Sanders is equal to Harris as a prospect?

I think a good many people on the board felt exactly the same way about Harris a month ago as they did about Sanders a season ago. I'd say the majority of the board in both cases. Not sure if you were one of them or not.

[europa]

20 (or even 23) year old's with talent don't get better when given opportunity. Ask Skiles.

Did you read Kelly Dwyer's story about Skiles today? He nailed all the issues we've had with him as a head coach and why no team should consider hiring him. Great read, especially for those who think those of us who've been critical of Skiles the last few seasons had no basis for that point of view.