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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#321 » by emunney » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:59 am

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emunney wrote:IMO if you think Bledsoe's a max player, you see if you can work something out with the Suns so you're assured of getting him. If they won't play ball, throw the max deal at them and make them match it. Then, if that doesn't work out, I think you have to break apart the roster around whatever you figure the core is to maximize flexibility and your shot at another top pick next year.

If you don't think Bledsoe's a max player, proceed directly to step 3.


Except we don't have max cap space because we badly needed Zaza and Delfino.


If Houston has max cap space, we have cap space. Somebody would take Miroslav from us.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#322 » by Chuck Diesel » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:15 am

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#323 » by KingWing » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:17 am

As someone who lives in Taiwan, I can attest that the Bucks would pick up about 20 million fans overnight if they acquired him. Rockets games are shown here all the time.

Lin is a akin to a national hero and would likely be elected president tomorrow if an open election were held. Seriously.

I was here for Yi too, and pretty much nobody knew who he was (I actually met Yi in an airport once and he seemed genuinely surprised when I told him the Bucks were my favorite team.) Yi's popularity can't compete with Lin. Linsanity never died here.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#324 » by TJseven » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:37 am

KingWing wrote:As someone who lives in Taiwan, I can attest that the Bucks would pick up about 20 million fans overnight if they acquired him. Rockets games are shown here all the time.

Lin is a akin to a national hero and would likely be elected president tomorrow if an open election were held. Seriously.

I was here for Yi too, and pretty much nobody knew who he was (I actually met Yi in an airport once and he seemed genuinely surprised when I told him the Bucks were my favorite team.) Yi's popularity can't compete with Lin. Linsanity never died here.



Bingo! That + asset + expiring = genius move.

We aren't getting paid to take Vaz
We are putting all the cards on the table for Bledsoe ... 1 year early if you ask me.
Lin isn't exactly a tank driver, kicks Knight off the point, sells more jerseys than any Buck not named Parker.

Owners are cringing about 6 mil? I know it's not my 6 mil but freaking pay it!!! Save money dealing away Ersan and Zaza. I'd be a bit miffed by tossing Miroslav as a spot holder because he gives good minutes... But you go get the pelicans 1st. You eat Lin... And let him flaunt a little as he walks out the door.

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Could be bad in a much less brutal to watch embarrassing way. That's a good step ... Add assets and suck with a shred of dignity. And while we are at it Knight Ersan and Zaza for picks as well to FA losers or junk riddled teams that think NOW is their time. Just so I can stop reading posts about how Knight is going to GET IT SOMEDAY. Give up... His value peek is right now. We don't want him on the roster after game 1. His value will only go down.

Back to Lin. Think about that statement. We just bought your team. Burned 6mil in a dumpster. Tied up zero dollars in 2015. Bought an asset. Increased your franchises world wide reach. Tuning in for Lin and watching as Parker Giannas bud into stars and hopefully Sanders beasts. You're bleeping welcome.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#325 » by cinematographer » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:41 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/StuJackson32/status/485449729569193984[/tweet]

If that's the league's actual projection, a Bledsoe deal at ~$14m is entirely palatable.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#326 » by cinematographer » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:07 am

Lin's FG% on Drives: 48.8%.
7.3 Drives Per Game
He gets 4.2 PPG on Drives
HOU got 7.7 PPG on Lin Drives
Lin PTS Per 48 on Drives: 6.9

Lin shot 62.4% in the restricted area and over 40% from the corners. xRAPM has him a tick over league average. Raw RAPM has him at a -.62, APM has him at -1.46 with a 2.83 StdErr. RPM has him at league average (Wolters as well).

Apparently Capela wants to come over this year. If Henson departs in a Bledsoe sign-and-trade, there's a spot for him. Is Lasry okay with putting up $15m for Lin's Bird Rights -- and possibility of a later trade -- and Capela? That's a lot of dollars for a draft pick on a team engorged with bigs as it is. Houston owes no future picks moving forward from here, it might take a future first in addition to Capela to make the $15m an easier pill to swallow.

But, as our Taiwanese friend pointed out, Lin opens us up to a big market. We're already playing in London, might as well go for the Far East, too.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#327 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:20 am

If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#328 » by th87 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:21 am

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th87 wrote:So why are we okay with destroying the tank?


Because we'd think we'd have enough going forward between Jabari, Giannis, Eric, Larry, and a few other youngsters with lesser chance to turn into core players but could develop that way like Middleton, Inglis, Henson trade equivalent, Wolters, etc. That's not to mention we still might be able to pull off that Lin + assets deal in addition to acquiring Bledsoe.

I'll pose this question back to you and that is: why do you prefer losing when you probably have enough to win a lot more than you lose going forward and keep the team in Milwaukee as a result? I think that's the way new ownership is looking at things right now. Maybe they'd handle this situation differently in the future under normal circumstances, but that's not what we have right now. And even if this was always their tendency, it'd still be different from the old regime because at least they'd be plunging into fa once they had an adequate young core already in place and for fa's who were also young and promising like Bledsoe is. The early signs are it is indeed a new, much better era in Bucksketball, although they are a long way from proving it.


I'm okay with Bledsoe, but I still think we need to be in the running for more superstars if we want an upper 50 win core. Lin by himself serves little purpose, as he'll get us some wins we don't need right now.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#329 » by MrPerfect1 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:27 am

RRyder823 wrote:If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....


We can have 4 potential All Stars merely by sucking again and getting 1 more top 3-5 pick.

I just do not see why we would rather have a 24 year old, coming off of a devastating injury, making 15 mil potential All Star instead of a 19 year old, completely healthy potential All Star who is making like 3 mil.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#330 » by Frank Nova » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:35 am

cinematographer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/StuJackson32/status/485449729569193984[/tweet]

If that's the league's actual projection, a Bledsoe deal at ~$14m is entirely palatable.


PHX matches that. It's gonna take more like 16/17 to get PHX to think about letting him walk.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#331 » by Bucksfan28 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:42 am

MadBlueEdwards wrote:I'd love to get Bledsoe, but he is far from worthy of a max contract.


This. Bledsoe is a fine player that I'd love for the Bucks to get but not at max money. By doing so you're banking on a foundation where 2/3 are still unproven commodities and the last piece could have potentially lingering knee problems.

I feel strongly about the potential of Giannis/Jabari; but if I'm presented with the option of maxing out Bledsoe to be our third core player or another losing season and high draft pick, I'll take the latter. Wait to spend until our current foundation has proven they're one player away.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#332 » by AussieBuck » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:43 am

RRyder823 wrote:If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....

Knight would be a disaster in that lineup. Bledsoe/Parker/Giannis calls for an off ball wing.
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Post#333 » by Mags FTW » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:48 am

No to Vasquez. He wouldn't start on a contender, and we already have someone who can at least play backup on a contender in Nate.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#334 » by Siefer » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:50 am

AussieBuck wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....

Knight would be a disaster in that lineup. Bledsoe/Parker/Giannis calls for an off ball wing.


Middleton please.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#335 » by Balls2TheWalls » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:58 am

A starting lineup of Bledsoe/Middleton/Giannis/Parker/Sanders would be really great to root for. Pls.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#336 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 7:02 am

AussieBuck wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....

Knight would be a disaster in that lineup. Bledsoe/Parker/Giannis calls for an off ball wing.


I agree. Would prefer Middleton at SG with Knight coming in as our 6th man but if we were able to land Bledsoe Knight would probably be involved in the S&T so I probably should've just left him of the list all together
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#337 » by cinematographer » Sun Jul 6, 2014 7:14 am

weezybaby856 wrote:
cinematographer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/StuJackson32/status/485449729569193984[/tweet]

If that's the league's actual projection, a Bledsoe deal at ~$14m is entirely palatable.


PHX matches that. It's gonna take more like 16/17 to get PHX to think about letting him walk.

I think 16/17 is going to be above the max Bledsoe can be offered. Cap would have to jump a good bit for him to be eligible for that amount.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#338 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 7:18 am

MrPerfect1 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....


We can have 4 potential All Stars merely by sucking again and getting 1 more top 3-5 pick.

I just do not see why we would rather have a 24 year old, coming off of a devastating injury, making 15 mil potential All Star instead of a 19 year old, completely healthy potential All Star who is making like 3 mil.


Because I don't think there's anyway we're picking in the top 5 next year without one hell of a lucky ping pong ball bounce with or without Bledsoe. It took a perfect storm for the Bucks to be as bad as they were last year. Added development from Wolters, Middleton, Knight, Henson and Giannis coupled with Sanders coming back and hopefully a much better coach I don't see anyway barring injury's that this team is picking in the top 5. In fact you can make the argument that unless we pick #1 overall then we're going to have to move Sanders for pennies on the dollar considering theres a good chance we'd most likely be drafting a big that high if Mudiay is off the board. And as of right now Mudiay is the only one that has me intrigued when it comes to potential Bucks

But like I said I don't think the Bucks will be nearly as bad as u think next year with or without Bledsoe. So givein the choice I'm going to go the with Bledsoe choice versus the "Hope and a Prayer" for a lucky bounce when it comes to the lottery
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#339 » by Siefer » Sun Jul 6, 2014 7:22 am

This is all about projections. Do you think Bledsoe, Giannis, and Parker can be the three best players on a championship team? If you do, a starting 5 of Bledsoe/Middleton/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is pretty amazing.
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