Khris Middleton Thread

[coolhandluke121]

I like the tempo and effort lately. Khris really likes to slow everything down, feel a defender on his back, and shoot a jumper. There's a place for that and he's a good player, but because of tempo and energy, I don't think he's the ideal fit. That's before you even consider the energy issue on defense, and he's also not the type of savvy vet, like Hill or Matthews, that you almost always see filling out the supporting casts of championship squads. DDV also plays like a savvy vet with great intangibles, and I think he's a better fit with Giannis.

It's basically all about what's happening on every possession, or what you're doing when you're not scoring. It's about helping the team in a multitude of ways regardless of whether it's your turn to score 20. How active are you off the ball? Running the floor? Chasing defenders through screens instead of standing around behind the arc waiting for the ball? Crashing the offensive boards without getting too far out of position to race back on defense? Avoiding dumb fouls and turnovers?

This team is great regardless because of how much talent they have, but I think if everyone on the team were at their peak at the same time, Hill, Matthews, and DDV would be the 3 best players not named Giannis on the team. Bledsoe, Lopez, and Khris (and Brogdon when he was here) are better suited to putting up all-star numbers on 45-win teams, but I think there are some crucial downsides to each of them as a fit in a supporting cast built around Giannis. The fact that they can play almost as well with high-energy interchangeable 3-and-d guys is evidence of that IMO.

They can't win the title without Khris right now, but spending that money more wisely would have them closer to a title than they are now IMO.

[DanoMac]

We're a better team with him. Saying we're not is dumb. Sure I would have preferred we signed others and I'm fine if he's ultimately traded. It was great to see DDV step up. Brown was so so. But it's a long season, there will be other injuries and our depth is pretty damn good (looking at you Philly).

Brown is even more inconsistent than Midds is. Less Brown will be great. Donte could be 6MOY if he has a nice stretch coming up.

[TroyD92]

Nice. Really hope they don’t lose for his sake lmao

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I like the tempo and effort lately. Khris really likes to slow everything down, feel a defender on his back, and shoot a jumper. There's a place for that and he's a good player, but because of tempo and energy, I don't think he's the ideal fit. That's before you even consider the energy issue on defense, and he's also not the type of savvy vet, like Hill or Matthews, that you almost always see filling out the supporting casts of championship squads. DDV also plays like a savvy vet with great intangibles, and I think he's a better fit with Giannis.

It's basically all about what's happening on every possession, or what you're doing when you're not scoring. It's about helping the team in a multitude of ways regardless of whether it's your turn to score 20. How active are you off the ball? Running the floor? Chasing defenders through screens instead of standing around behind the arc waiting for the ball? Crashing the offensive boards without getting too far out of position to race back on defense? Avoiding dumb fouls and turnovers?

This team is great regardless because of how much talent they have, but I think if everyone on the team were at their peak at the same time, Hill, Matthews, and DDV would be the 3 best players not named Giannis on the team. Bledsoe, Lopez, and Khris (and Brogdon when he was here) are better suited to putting up all-star numbers on 45-win teams, but I think there are some crucial downsides to each of them as a fit in a supporting cast built around Giannis. The fact that they can play almost as well with high-energy interchangeable 3-and-d guys is evidence of that IMO.

They can't win the title without Khris right now, but spending that money more wisely would have them closer to a title than they are now IMO.

2nd bananas still like the ball in their hands and role players gonna role. were not better if its Giannis and 100% role players. it simplifys things and we'd still win a ton of games but it would catch up with us when it matters most

[emunney]

That's great. Take your time with those Giannis-off possessions, Khris. 10 dribbles minimum. Much careful surveying, much backing down.

[JBucks]

Yes! I missed the lazy passing, careless dribbling, hot streaks when the game's no longer up for grabs, etc.

I know right.... as if the turnovers, airball fts, hideous 3 pt shooting, and dumb fouls from Giannis isn't enough. now we gotta deal with the whole two broken guys at once thing again

Wrote it tongue-in-cheek. Still, comparing 34's shortcomings to 22's is ridiculous. Middleton is frustrating as hell to watch, makes max money and is no greater than the fourth-best player on the team.

[Frank Nova]

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[mattg]

I like the tempo and effort lately. Khris really likes to slow everything down, feel a defender on his back, and shoot a jumper. There's a place for that and he's a good player, but because of tempo and energy, I don't think he's the ideal fit. That's before you even consider the energy issue on defense, and he's also not the type of savvy vet, like Hill or Matthews, that you almost always see filling out the supporting casts of championship squads. DDV also plays like a savvy vet with great intangibles, and I think he's a better fit with Giannis.

It's basically all about what's happening on every possession, or what you're doing when you're not scoring. It's about helping the team in a multitude of ways regardless of whether it's your turn to score 20. How active are you off the ball? Running the floor? Chasing defenders through screens instead of standing around behind the arc waiting for the ball? Crashing the offensive boards without getting too far out of position to race back on defense? Avoiding dumb fouls and turnovers?

This team is great regardless because of how much talent they have, but I think if everyone on the team were at their peak at the same time, Hill, Matthews, and DDV would be the 3 best players not named Giannis on the team. Bledsoe, Lopez, and Khris (and Brogdon when he was here) are better suited to putting up all-star numbers on 45-win teams, but I think there are some crucial downsides to each of them as a fit in a supporting cast built around Giannis. The fact that they can play almost as well with high-energy interchangeable 3-and-d guys is evidence of that IMO.

They can't win the title without Khris right now, but spending that money more wisely would have them closer to a title than they are now IMO.

2nd bananas still like the ball in their hands and role players gonna role. were not better if its Giannis and 100% role players. it simplifys things and we'd still win a ton of games but it would catch up with us when it matters most

It’s mostly that Khris plays slow, not just defensively but he doesn’t push pace or force tempo at all. That hurts us offensively by cutting down on the easy baskets we get as a team. A good parallel was when we had MCW how he was so slow to advance the ball past half court and get us into the offense. It’s a subtle thing that it took this board FOREVER to understand, But there’s a huge difference between initisting Your first half court action at 21 seconds vs like 16 or 17 seconds. We want to minimize any amount of loading up that defenses can do in the half court. Especially since we can’t just easily call for a ball screen with Khris and create a great look super quickly, and we currently only really have George hill at guard that can also do that.

Like I said last year, Khris should be staggered more to play without Giannis so we can run through him instead of chucking super quick 3s with bench dudes incessantly. They aren’t super complimentary players towards each other.

[VooDoo7]

Wow, getting a shooter and best secondary shot creator is sure going to hurt! What are we thinking!?

7-2 with him. 7-0 without him. You can't argue math.

Speaking of math, we're 14-3. Something doesn't add up here.

[Pachinko_]

Damn, it's been several weeks already?

[Ruben Quevedo]

I like the tempo and effort lately. Khris really likes to slow everything down, feel a defender on his back, and shoot a jumper. There's a place for that and he's a good player, but because of tempo and energy, I don't think he's the ideal fit. That's before you even consider the energy issue on defense, and he's also not the type of savvy vet, like Hill or Matthews, that you almost always see filling out the supporting casts of championship squads. DDV also plays like a savvy vet with great intangibles, and I think he's a better fit with Giannis.

It's basically all about what's happening on every possession, or what you're doing when you're not scoring. It's about helping the team in a multitude of ways regardless of whether it's your turn to score 20. How active are you off the ball? Running the floor? Chasing defenders through screens instead of standing around behind the arc waiting for the ball? Crashing the offensive boards without getting too far out of position to race back on defense? Avoiding dumb fouls and turnovers?

This team is great regardless because of how much talent they have, but I think if everyone on the team were at their peak at the same time, Hill, Matthews, and DDV would be the 3 best players not named Giannis on the team. Bledsoe, Lopez, and Khris (and Brogdon when he was here) are better suited to putting up all-star numbers on 45-win teams, but I think there are some crucial downsides to each of them as a fit in a supporting cast built around Giannis. The fact that they can play almost as well with high-energy interchangeable 3-and-d guys is evidence of that IMO.

They can't win the title without Khris right now, but spending that money more wisely would have them closer to a title than they are now IMO.

2nd bananas still like the ball in their hands and role players gonna role. were not better if its Giannis and 100% role players. it simplifys things and we'd still win a ton of games but it would catch up with us when it matters most

It’s mostly that Khris plays slow, not just defensively but he doesn’t push pace or force tempo at all. That hurts us offensively by cutting down on the easy baskets we get as a team. A good parallel was when we had MCW how he was so slow to advance the ball past half court and get us into the offense. It’s a subtle thing that it took this board FOREVER to understand, But there’s a huge difference between initisting Your first half court action at 21 seconds vs like 16 or 17 seconds. We want to minimize any amount of loading up that defenses can do in the half court. Especially since we can’t just easily call for a ball screen with Khris and create a great look super quickly, and we currently only really have George hill at guard that can also do that.

Like I said last year, Khris should be staggered more to play without Giannis so we can run through him instead of chucking super quick 3s with bench dudes incessantly. They aren’t super complimentary players towards each other.

Yeah, Khris in theory makes for a great complimentary player but it really doesn't seem to work out that way. He doesn't work hard off the ball to get open, doesn't really set screens, doesn't cut hard, is a turnover-waiting-to-happen in the pick and roll, and is a lazy bastard on defense.

I don't think we missed him *at all* which is extraordinary for near-max salary player.

[VooDoo7]

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Midds back tomorrow?wow

Again, we go live to David Dunn...

[soxperry]

Just stagger him and Giannis and he provides a lot of value to us. I like Khris playing iso ball to take about four of Bledsoe's throw away shots per game out of the equation.

[kid idioteque]

Middleton off the bench. And then keep him there.

I'm half-kidding.

[xTitan]

Still not winning a title with Middleton as your 2nd best player

[engelmartin]

Giannis will sit, Midds will play, Bucks will lose, 20 page postgame thread. Got my third eye open.

It's the Hawks, so I'm pretty sure we could play Frank Mason/Korver/Sterling/Ersan/Robin and win by 20. But if we lose, you're goddamn right it's going on Middleton.

[Bucksfan28]

is a turnover-waiting-to-happen in the pick and roll

He leads the team in PPP as PnR ball-handler.

[mattg]

is a turnover-waiting-to-happen in the pick and roll

He leads the team in PPP as PnR ball-handler.

Khris runs PnR to get himself a pull up which is his best shot. He almost never threatens to turn the corner, has no ability to dribble in traffic, and lacks nuance. But he is very good at pulling up while dribbling around a ball screen. But we need someone who can actually run the PnR at an advanced level and isn’t only a threat to pull up.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

khris is universally acknowledged around the entire league as a prototypical modern day 2-way wing but lets discuss how **** his game is for the rest of the season

this board is a trip

[mke_design]

is a turnover-waiting-to-happen in the pick and roll

He leads the team in PPP as PnR ball-handler.

Stop with the evidence counsel, it's devastating to their case.