PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2

[MissKhriddleton]

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Does this mean 9 possessions where he's gotten a pass or does it literally mean he has only set an on ball screen 9 times?

[Bucksfan28]

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Does this mean 9 possessions where he's gotten a pass or does it literally mean he has only set an on ball screen 9 times?

Yea, i think that means possessions hes finished, so he got the ball.

[yannisk]

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Does this mean 9 possessions where he's gotten a pass or does it literally mean he has only set an on ball screen 9 times?

Yea, i think that means possessions hes finished, so he got the ball.

We don't have a good pnr PG. Jrue made a very good pass once yesterday (that Giannis fumbled) but other than that I have not seen him very capable on these plays. Middleton is a bit better

It should be our primary option, pnr with Giannis as the roll man. Instead we run more with Giannis handling the ball and Forbes being the screener. Crazy! Even when he is the screener/roll man it does not seem he gets the ball back

I thought DJA was running many pnr in Orlando he never seemed to do that with the Bucks. Even if i go back several years Brogdon was running pnr with Monroe but we very rarely with Giannis

[Sigra]

Watched game again.
Bottom line: they dont need to double team our guys and we need to double team their guys. That is usually sweep.

This Durant is 100% unstoppable and best player on planet. He didnt play 2019 Finals and 2020 season. That was 2 years window for somebody else to win honestly. Irving with new religion looks great too. All their supporting cast play great too.

But I do think we are 4th best team in NBA this year. The problem is that we play against best team. If everybody healthy I would rank like this:

1. Nets

2. Lakers
3. Clippers

4. Bucks
5....

If we finished at 4. we would probably beat Sixers in 2nd round but doesnt matter because Nets would beat us at ECF anyway.

[BucksRule18]

I'm starting to think that Giannis should've taken the opportunity to workout with other superstars during the offseason, instead of Victor friggin Oladipo. A.) it gives you a chance to recruit, and B.) maybe learn some fundamentals from the best in the business.

[MickeyDavis]

This is beyond naive. Bud is telling Giannis what to do. Giannis follows whatever Bud tells him. This is all on bud. We need a tough nosed coach who also happens to know x's and o's. This team is getting demolished, much worse than Boston.

Cool that you are at practice and in the huddle at games and know what Bud says to Giannis. Tell us more please. How often does he tell Giannis to jack up 3's early in the shot clock, or barrel into the wall? Every timeout? Halftime?

So you think Giannis is doing all this on his own and Bud:

a) Never says a word to him about jacking up threes and barreling into walls

or

b) Does tell him and Giannis doesn't listen to him

These are the only two options and both are an indictment on the coach. So you can be sarcastic all you want, but you made my point better than I could. Either Bud encourages what is going on the court or he tells them not to and the players aren't listening. He has a couple games to redeem himself. Failure to do so and he needs to go.

I think Giannis has been told plenty of times what to do and not do. And I don't think it's a matter of "not listening". I think his instincts take over in the heat of the moment. And Giannis' instincts often aren't good. It's evident his basketball IQ is low. No one can argue otherwise. Coaching doesn't change that. I'm not a Bud apologist but I also don't automatically assume it's entirely his fault. You'll notice there are games where Giannis does the right things, doesn't jack up the dumb shots, doesn't crash into the wall. But it only lasts a game or two and he goes right back to what he was doing before. So I guess some games he listens and some games he doesn't? I'm all for a new coach but it's not the golden ticket. If there's a coach out there that can make Giannis be a smart basketball player hire him today.

[BucksRule18]

Watched game again.
Bottom line: they dont need to double team our guys and we need to double team their guys. That is usually sweep.

This Durant is 100% unstoppable and best player on planet. He didnt play 2019 Finals and 2020 season. That was 2 years window for somebody else to win honestly. Irving with new religion looks great too. All their supporting cast play great too.

But I do think we are 4th best team in NBA this year. The problem is that we play against best team. If everybody healthy I would rank like this:

1. Nets

2. Lakers
3. Clippers

4. Bucks
5....

If we finished at 4. we would probably beat Sixers in 2nd round but doesnt matter because Nets would beat us at ECF anyway.

If we get swept I don't think we're in the top 8. Even Boston beat the Nets once with a healthy Harden. I think Hawks or Sixers win 2 against the Nets without Harden. Utah would likely beat us in 5 games. We also have a hard time beating the Suns in the regular season. Doubt that changes in the playoffs.

[James1980]

There are literally interviews where Giannis says he does whatever coach tells him to do, if that were not the case, wouldn't that have leaked out?

[chonestown]

I was told KD was fragile. Hm.

hasnt faced any adversity this series

He faced adversity less than a minute into the series.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Cool that you are at practice and in the huddle at games and know what Bud says to Giannis. Tell us more please. How often does he tell Giannis to jack up 3's early in the shot clock, or barrel into the wall? Every timeout? Halftime?

So you think Giannis is doing all this on his own and Bud:

a) Never says a word to him about jacking up threes and barreling into walls

or

b) Does tell him and Giannis doesn't listen to him

These are the only two options and both are an indictment on the coach. So you can be sarcastic all you want, but you made my point better than I could. Either Bud encourages what is going on the court or he tells them not to and the players aren't listening. He has a couple games to redeem himself. Failure to do so and he needs to go.

I think Giannis has been told plenty of times what to do and not do. And I don't think it's a matter of "not listening". I think his instincts take over in the heat of the moment. And Giannis' instincts often aren't good. It's evident his basketball IQ is low. No one can argue otherwise. Coaching doesn't change that. I'm not a Bud apologist but I also don't automatically assume it's entirely his fault. You'll notice there are games where Giannis does the right things, doesn't jack up the dumb shots, doesn't crash into the wall. But it only lasts a game or two and he goes right back to what he was doing before. So I guess some games he listens and some games he doesn't? I'm all for a new coach but it's not the golden ticket. If there's a coach out there that can make Giannis be a smart basketball player hire him today.

Yeah I think that's exactly it. It's not about mental toughness per se, but a lack of skills (mostly shooting, but also ballhandling and passing) and a lack of feel for the game that rears its ugly head whenever things get difficult.

But Bud absolutely has something to do with it. The offense is a mess. It's year 3 under Bud and we still have no fluidity and minimal ball and player movement whenever a defense takes it up a notch.

[Antinomy]

- Khris: Great scorer from distance (who insists on getting closer to the basket instead of playing at the 3 point line), who plays as if he is a very good playmaker.

It would be terrible if Khris just sat at the 3-point line. He's a mega-elite mid-range shooter who is good at finding mismatches and shooting with somebody in his face. The Bucks' offense becomes much worse if he's not allowed to hunt for his shot.

Khris is taking all the blame for how things have gone the first two games & it’s astonishing.

Nets are using Giannis’ defender & zoning him up while Lopez is trying to post up. He can’t get to the rim & is forced to shoot over the top.

You can’t really expect Khris to outshoot/out-iso Kevin Durant & Kyrie Irving.

Giannis has gotten to that point for me where I just get frustrated by 90% of what he does.

Exceptional talent but doesn’t read the game well, makes ton of low bball IQ errors, freezes out shooters, jacks up ill-advised shots, stands around the 3 point line, etc.

[BucksRule18]

There are literally interviews where Giannis says he does whatever coach tells him to do, if that were not the case, wouldn't that have leaked out?

I think Bud's system doesn't allow for players to think outside the box. When his system starts to fail our superstars don't know how to read the situation and improvise. Bud would not last half a season with someone like Lebron.

[Milbucks96]

I bet all the people who’s hurt that Giannis is getting called out was participating in the “Miami heat doesn’t have Bledsoe this year” crap. I couldn’t believe my ears when I was excited to listen a bill simmons pod about the bucks and all of sudden it turned into some guy dumping on Bledsoe for 5 minutes when he doesn’t even play for this team anymore. Everybody ate it up and ran with it well now it’s Giannis turn.

[rilamann]

This is 100% mental. And it 100% starts with Giannis. It's painfully obvious after last night.

[BigO]

Cool that you are at practice and in the huddle at games and know what Bud says to Giannis. Tell us more please. How often does he tell Giannis to jack up 3's early in the shot clock, or barrel into the wall? Every timeout? Halftime?

So you think Giannis is doing all this on his own and Bud:

a) Never says a word to him about jacking up threes and barreling into walls

or

b) Does tell him and Giannis doesn't listen to him

These are the only two options and both are an indictment on the coach. So you can be sarcastic all you want, but you made my point better than I could. Either Bud encourages what is going on the court or he tells them not to and the players aren't listening. He has a couple games to redeem himself. Failure to do so and he needs to go.

I think Giannis has been told plenty of times what to do and not do. And I don't think it's a matter of "not listening". I think his instincts take over in the heat of the moment. And Giannis' instincts often aren't good. It's evident his basketball IQ is low. No one can argue otherwise. Coaching doesn't change that. I'm not a Bud apologist but I also don't automatically assume it's entirely his fault. You'll notice there are games where Giannis does the right things, doesn't jack up the dumb shots, doesn't crash into the wall. But it only lasts a game or two and he goes right back to what he was doing before. So I guess some games he listens and some games he doesn't? I'm all for a new coach but it's not the golden ticket. If there's a coach out there that can make Giannis be a smart basketball player hire him today.

Since you imply I'm nuts by my claiming to know what Bud tells Giannis, I find it amusing that you turn around and claim to know that Giannis isn't listening to his coach. Bottom line is that you think Giannis isn't listening to his coaches "advice". If that's the case, don't you think it's an indictment of the coach? How can you have a leader of a team whose star fails to listen to him.

By the way, I don't think Giannis is anywhere near the primary problem for this team. It's x's and o's and a whole lot more.

[John Murdoch]

These bucks are soft we need a coach that’s going to bring some edge and hold these dudes accountable

Sam Cassell

Juwan Howard..Stackhouse

[bucksfansince88]

These bucks are soft we need a coach that’s going to bring some edge and hold these dudes accountable

Sam Cassell

Juwan Howard..Stackhouse

Howard would be a nice add, and he could help giannis improve his post game.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If youre going to absolve Bud and blame Giannis for his bad decisions, i cant see why youd want Giannis as a Buck past this year.

Edit: well actually i can see why, but id be severely limiting any expectations in that case.

for now, but perhaps not much longer..... he is worth far more for his trade value than he is for his championship getting value. his annual cost is monstrous and a total ball and chain.

every other big physical rebounding runner one speed dunking free throw bricker in ths league is mostly unplayable. obviously giannis has more to his game than these other big strong empty number getters but unfortunately he usually has not the first idea of how to utilize it for the art of the win.

im first in line to say trade him. dont wait like the pistons did with drummond trying to figure out how to win with a stat line and nothing more.

we wont ever trade him tho... not unless he demands out. that would be the best case scenario and the sooner the better. we have lots of talent on this team all in their prime. 50 million in flexibility with a cache of fresh picks and assets would renew my hope

[Antinomy]

I bet all the people who’s hurt that Giannis is getting called out was participating in the “Miami heat doesn’t have Bledsoe this year” crap. I couldn’t believe my ears when I was excited to listen a bill simmons pod about the bucks and all of sudden it turned into some guy dumping on Bledsoe for 5 minutes when he doesn’t even play for this team anymore. Everybody ate it up and ran with it well now it’s Giannis turn.

Giannis played one of the worst series for a star player I had ever seen last year.

Bledsoe was the easy scapegoat but he had nothing to do with Giannis running into walls, standing at the top of the key & making bad decisions galore.

[raferfenix]

Hopefully playing at home helps the Bucks get over the mental hurdles that have been crushing us.

As others have posted, it's not just that we are losing, but the way we've been laughed off that court that is so discouraging.

To be fair the Bucks / Giannis do still have some time to show that we have more fight in us than what we've displayed so far at least.

Small solace yes but that might be the most we can hope for at this rate.