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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#321 » by Daver » Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:43 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:The Grayson extension makes him the one the Bucks can trade in the offseason, as they resign Patty C, and get Donte back for another year.


You wouldnt be upset if they traded allen instead of donte.This is the 1st time in i dont know how long the bucks have had a actual shooting guard who can actually shoot especially 3s,signed a very friendly 2 year extension and hes the one that goes.
That would absolutely shock me he is perfect on this team perfect as the SG .If they get a bug up their ass to trade it has to be DDV. I dont think the bucks want DDV as a starter thats why the bogdan fail trade n now allen


Donte shot 38% from 3 in his 3rd season and likely will continue to improve, just like Allen has.

Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.



Hes just as likely not to either.Just cause allen has improved his shooting % doesnt mean your DDV will.I mean DDV had the same 4 guys getting him wide open 3s n no way he hits them as consistent as allen does
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#322 » by Daver » Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:48 am

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Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.


Pat's upcoming deal will be a minimum of 4/$60 from someone. Owners better get the wallets ready for the big tax bill.

And if you want be a title favorite, you've got to keep Allen.

Think you just hope DDV can return after ASB and give the team a boost, then hope he takes a QO, otherwise you try to S&T him next summer.


We just won a title without Allen. Allen would have more trade value then what you'd get dealing a RFA.

When charting the course, you need to take into account the haul you'd get for Allen. It could be the way to gain assets necessary to get Brooks replacement.


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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#323 » by giannis and 1 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:14 am

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MickeyDavis wrote:DDV will have little to no trade value until he comes back and shows he's healthy and productive. He's played 66.5% of games in his 3+ years and that number will keep going down until he's back next year. He's missed a full season (80 games).



Unless he comes back like gangbusters and has a playoff run for the ages, I doubt he gets any offers he's interested in this summer

I can see Bucks either trading him or getting him back on his qualifying offer, ($6.6M)

I hope DDV chooses long term security and signs for 3-4 year at 10-12m per year
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#324 » by giannis and 1 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:19 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:The Grayson extension makes him the one the Bucks can trade in the offseason, as they resign Patty C, and get Donte back for another year.


You wouldnt be upset if they traded allen instead of donte.This is the 1st time in i dont know how long the bucks have had a actual shooting guard who can actually shoot especially 3s,signed a very friendly 2 year extension and hes the one that goes.
That would absolutely shock me he is perfect on this team perfect as the SG .If they get a bug up their ass to trade it has to be DDV. I dont think the bucks want DDV as a starter thats why the bogdan fail trade n now allen

I’m guessing that when DDV is back, he will be starting for us and Allen will come off the bench.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#325 » by jakecronus8 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:24 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:The Grayson extension makes him the one the Bucks can trade in the offseason, as they resign Patty C, and get Donte back for another year.


You wouldnt be upset if they traded allen instead of donte.This is the 1st time in i dont know how long the bucks have had a actual shooting guard who can actually shoot especially 3s,signed a very friendly 2 year extension and hes the one that goes.
That would absolutely shock me he is perfect on this team perfect as the SG .If they get a bug up their ass to trade it has to be DDV. I dont think the bucks want DDV as a starter thats why the bogdan fail trade n now allen

I’m guessing that when DDV is back, he will be starting for us and Allen will come off the bench.


You’re guessing wrong
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#326 » by giannis and 1 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:32 am

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Also, Patty C should be considered for the starting job. He's a SG now, and he's really really good.

Holding on to to Allen and letting FAs walk is poor asset management, because we have no avenue to replace the FAs.


Pat's upcoming deal will be a minimum of 4/$60 from someone. Owners better get the wallets ready for the big tax bill.

And if you want be a title favorite, you've got to keep Allen.

Think you just hope DDV can return after ASB and give the team a boost, then hope he takes a QO, otherwise you try to S&T him next summer.


We just won a title without Allen. Allen would have more trade value then what you'd get dealing a RFA.

When charting the course, you need to take into account the haul you'd get for Allen. It could be the way to gain assets necessary to get Brooks replacement.

The problem I have is that it might not be a good look trading someone before the even played in the first year of the extension they signed.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#327 » by giannis and 1 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:39 am

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You wouldnt be upset if they traded allen instead of donte.This is the 1st time in i dont know how long the bucks have had a actual shooting guard who can actually shoot especially 3s,signed a very friendly 2 year extension and hes the one that goes.
That would absolutely shock me he is perfect on this team perfect as the SG .If they get a bug up their ass to trade it has to be DDV. I dont think the bucks want DDV as a starter thats why the bogdan fail trade n now allen

I’m guessing that when DDV is back, he will be starting for us and Allen will come off the bench.


You’re guessing wrong

We will see what happens. But I’m skeptical about him shooting 419 on 8.8.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#328 » by drdrG » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:58 am

I'd be shocked if they deal Allen. Horst had that one lined up as getting a young, ascending player to add to the core as it ages. Smartly, he identified a player that wasn't a good fit for his team's timeline and extracted value. Dealing Allen now before he's extended will not recoup value given there aren't many players as good as Allen that are in the same age/price range
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#329 » by jakecronus8 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 am

I don’t think Donte will have enough time to establish value before the deadline. My hope is he balls out eventually and we can use him as a sign&trade asset in the offseason. Only way he’s on the Bucks next year is on the QO, IMO.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#330 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:25 am

jakecronus8 wrote:I don’t think Donte will have enough time to establish value before the deadline. My hope is he balls out eventually and we can use him as a sign&trade asset in the offseason. Only way he’s on the Bucks next year is on the QO, IMO.


He has two values...skill and expiring contract. There are trade partners out there that need one or the other.

Just depends what he ends up being.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#331 » by Fotis St » Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:48 am

Is it even logical to start talking about trading Jrue for Lillard ?

I guess it is in my opinion. But Portland would not be interested, I think they would prefer a younger player.

I am bit concerned about Jrue's ability to score.
He seems he has already retired mentally after winning the ring. I guess he will be fine come playoffs but still he needs to play better even on cruise mode.

Edit: Lillard currently sucks too for the start of the season, so there are concerns for him too.

In any case, Jrue's D come playoffs is really important, so I guess I would choose to roll with him instead of trading him. Still a a bit disappointed about his Off. Effectiveness.

I wish we could somehow get Dragic. When Jrue is off , I would be really confident to back him up with Dragic instead of Hill.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#332 » by Cythaps » Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:54 am

Tjarks from the Ringer suggested that in the long run, after a couple of seasons, the best possible move for the Bucks to replace aging Midds and Jrue as a pairing for Giannis, would be to pursue Towns and that he should start "recruiting" him as soon as possible.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#333 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:34 pm

Cythaps wrote:Tjarks from the Ringer suggested that in the long run, after a couple of seasons, the best possible move for the Bucks to replace aging Midds and Jrue as a pairing for Giannis, would be to pursue Towns and that he should start "recruiting" him as soon as possible.


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Post#334 » by emunney » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:18 pm

Cythaps wrote:Tjarks from the Ringer suggested that in the long run, after a couple of seasons, the best possible move for the Bucks to replace aging Midds and Jrue as a pairing for Giannis, would be to pursue Towns and that he should start "recruiting" him as soon as possible.


I think he already has been.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#335 » by TroyD92 » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:37 pm

Why are we talking about trading Allen ? Lmao. If anyone is getting traded it’s DDV considering they’ve already tried to trade him Atleast once. Pretty sure there’s something pretty serious going on with DDVs health outlook. Don’t think he’s traded at the deadline though unless he magically returns and plays lights out to recoup his value.

Keeping him is also a good option. If he can put together a healthy season you could potentially use him to find Brooks replacement
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Post#336 » by LuessiT » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:49 pm

Our play for Towns is convincing him to join us via FA.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#337 » by raferfenix » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:26 pm

I think Pat is more likely to take a short term discount like Bobby than he is to bail while our team is in a clear championship window.

That’s why I think we give him a raise in an extension for a few more seasons.

Connaughton likely wants more money now and the chance at one last significant contract before he gets to his mid-30’s.

He’s such a perfect fit here and is boys with Giannis. Figure there is a win-win deal to make if Horst is empowered to spend more of the billionaires’ money.
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Post#338 » by emunney » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:35 pm

Donte has a lot of fans around the league who'd be happy to have his RFA rights and a negotiating window and will pay for it if he can establish he's recovered.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#339 » by Daver » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:07 pm

Has DDV in the time hes been a starter come close to this just curious as some of you follow him alot closer than i do.
To think some of you would prefer to trade him or have him come off the bench

Grayson Allen scored 21 points last night, shooting 5-9 from 3P range.

Allen had made at least five 3P in each of his last three games, matching the longest such streak in
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Allen is averaging 15.8 PPG on 44/43/92 shooting through 13 games this season.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million 

Post#340 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:45 pm

Yup Allen has stepped up in Middleton's absence. His numbers will go down and that's fine. He's been great in his role so far this season.
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