Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis Thoughts on Middleton Trade Page 90

[Ryan5UW]

Horst probably doesn’t care about holding onto the 2031 first, he knows if things don’t get better he won’t be around to use it anyway.

[averageposter]

I need a CBA change where players have to limit throwing a tantrum to just 72 hours prior to trade deadline. This is like having to binge watch sex in the city with your wife.

[German Athens]

I’m perfectly fine sending that 2031 pick out - I just want to get something worth a damn in the trade.

Reminder that if we gave up an unprotected pick and it went worst case scenario and actually became the #1 pick, the median #1 guy is something like Andrew Wiggins.

Do what you gotta do to put us over the top.


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[MikeIsGood]

We have got to stop trading picks at some point, guys. There is an other side. It's coming, and it is not far away. Trading these first haphazardly for a 35 year old is not the play.

[stillgotgame]

35 is the new 29.

And Giannis will be 35 starting the 2030-2031 season. Lebron put up 30/8/6 at that age, no reason to think Giannis won't be dominant then too.
Trade the '31 pick but obviously try to keep some protection on it. We'll need to include it if we're dumping Khris and Pat, both are negative value right now.

[fan230]

Yes. V sad that Khris would leave. But this must be done if we can get Butler or Levine. If we only get some mid level good player, I would keep Khris.

Then maybe Portis Valančiūnas could be good.

[German Athens]

We have got to stop trading picks at some point, guys. There is an other side. It's coming, and it is not far away. Trading these first haphazardly for a 35 year old is not the play.

We’re currently in the spot we’ve dreamt about for decades (some of us) - to have a generational player and a chance to win another title.

We didn’t dream about feeling good when we’re bad, because at least we own our own picks.

That’s a bit harsh of me, but we have to offer everything we can to maximize what we got. If we’re no longer a real contender in two years, then either Giannis asks out and we recoup a lot of those assets, or Giannis decides to stay and we never actually fully bottom out.

If trading that pick results in title #2 of this era - well, that’s the goal of playing the game.


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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I hated both DDV for Ibaka + 2nds and Crowder for 5 SRPs trades from the beggining. Hiring Griffin was the third one, but who knows if Horst is to blame for that. But he has been OK.

those were the two trades he made that everybody didnt universally want to have his baby but even then...crowder the whole board wanted and maybe we overpaid. and the ibaka thing.... we had sucked so hard with lopez out we were desperate not to punt the entire season. i kinda get that one too even tho it was baaad in retrospect i get not punting a season in the giannis era. if that desperation trade was his worst trade.. maybe his only bad trade.....that can be forgiven

i feel if khris has any value whatsoever he'll find it. the one thing im now saying is.....he needs to go because hes ****'ed. and we have a shot. whatever we can get out that asset...if its even an asset....now is the time

He also fired Kidd, hired Bud, and reportedly wanted to hire Atkinson (twice!)

bang....hes a really good gm

drafting i think he may have whiffed a few but who doesnt in the rounds hes had

hes a really good gm. were blessed to have him. i trust this deadline

[emunney]

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A BULLS first round pick? Alright, I'm listening.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We have got to stop trading picks at some point, guys. There is an other side. It's coming, and it is not far away. Trading these first haphazardly for a 35 year old is not the play.

We’re currently in the spot we’ve dreamt about for decades (some of us) - to have a generational player and a chance to win another title.

We didn’t dream about feeling good when we’re bad, because at least we own our own picks.

That’s a bit harsh of me, but we have to offer everything we can to maximize what we got. If we’re no longer a real contender in two years, then either Giannis asks out and we recoup a lot of those assets, or Giannis decides to stay and we never actually fully bottom out.

If trading that pick results in title #2 of this era - well, that’s the goal of playing the game.


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yeah. spot were in...i could care less about picks. smoke em if you got em

there will come a time we suck again. i remember having picks and sucking pretty much for 30 years. picks dont make an organization the way they used too. theres a reason theyre all tossed around.

if we win another one....then after this run it will be fun to suck and look at young guys playing hard. the 3 ball makes the draft less important. if we got the right people in charge well be fine picks or not

[tedbrogen]

35 is the new 29.

And Giannis will be 35 starting the 2030-2031 season. Lebron put up 30/8/6 at that age, no reason to think Giannis won't be dominant then too.
Trade the '31 pick but obviously try to keep some protection on it. We'll need to include it if we're dumping Khris and Pat, both are negative value right now.

You can’t trade the pick with protections unless a currently available pick can be what it conveys to in case the protections kick in. In the case of the 2031 first, then you have to make the protection be that if it doesn’t convey as the first it becomes the 2031 second rounder. No other way to protect it.

Issue is to make a trade where the Bucks combine salaries, they first need to cut enough salary to get below the second apron. They need to use their 2031 second to attach to someone like Pat to get below the apron.

Thus trading the 2031 first with protections is very difficult to pull off.

[stillgotgame]

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A BULLS first round pick? Alright, I'm listening.

Lavine is also out for “the next few games”.
He gone.

[MikeIsGood]

We have got to stop trading picks at some point, guys. There is an other side. It's coming, and it is not far away. Trading these first haphazardly for a 35 year old is not the play.

We’re currently in the spot we’ve dreamt about for decades (some of us) - to have a generational player and a chance to win another title.

We didn’t dream about feeling good when we’re bad, because at least we own our own picks.

That’s a bit harsh of me, but we have to offer everything we can to maximize what we got. If we’re no longer a real contender in two years, then either Giannis asks out and we recoup a lot of those assets, or Giannis decides to stay and we never actually fully bottom out.

If trading that pick results in title #2 of this era - well, that’s the goal of playing the game.

I mean of course, but it's not that simple.

I've been lamenting us getting older and older for I belive three years now. So many of us have. We see how this played out in games like last night, where we're simply out-legged by teams 10 years our junior. If I was convinced we were trading for KD or something that is going to really greatly put us over the top, hell yes, go for it. But this is quite literally our most valuable tradable asset (read: not Giannis or Dame). Not no-leg Khris, not black-hole Bobby. It's this pick that likely sits on the outside of us being good. This is read as a GOOD pick in trades. And like hell I'm giving that up for this 35 year old jackass who is forcing his way out of his third team.

[raferfenix]

Jimmy as superstar PJ Tucker is a helpful construct but has got a few issues:

1. PJ was always a defense first do the little things hustle guy. Could Jimmy sacrifice on offense even more than Rasheed Wallace did while taking a big step in this direction?

2. PJ walked because the Bucks (horrifyingly) didn't pay him a few million more than we thought he was worth. Maybe the Bucks hold firm -- Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo think Butler's now a "2 year player" after what he's pulled -- but even then Tucker never was in the same stratosphere as $50M per year deals.

Jrue might be a better comparison for the role we'd hope Jimmy would fill for these reasons. That's an exceptionally high level of defense to aspire towards but Holiday wasn't so close to top level Butler offense so in theory it evens out.

Point stands either way though since Holiday did the little things ego-free and was never a a $50M a year guy.

[MickeyDavis]

LaVine out for personal reasons. Bobby out for family reasons. Interesting. The fact that Doc talked about Bobby needing to be with his family tells me it's probably legit. No doubt he's on the block though.

ETA LaVine's wife is expecting a baby this week and he's with her.

[emunney]

I’m perfectly fine sending that 2031 pick out - I just want to get something worth a damn in the trade.

Reminder that if we gave up an unprotected pick and it went worst case scenario and actually became the #1 pick, the median #1 guy is something like Andrew Wiggins.

Do what you gotta do to put us over the top.


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I feel like if you can get first round value out of a first rounder 6+ years from now, I don't think that's ever a bad idea. I will say again, also, that the Suns robbed Ainge through a hole in the sheet.

[German Athens]

I’m perfectly fine sending that 2031 pick out - I just want to get something worth a damn in the trade.

Reminder that if we gave up an unprotected pick and it went worst case scenario and actually became the #1 pick, the median #1 guy is something like Andrew Wiggins.

Do what you gotta do to put us over the top.


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I feel like if you can get first round value out of a first rounder 6+ years from now, I don't think that's ever a bad idea. I will say again, also, that the Suns robbed Ainge through a hole in the sheet.

Yeah, I hope the Ainge thing set the market on our pick and there are other suitors offering us a similar deal.

It being unprecedented may bode well for us. I have to imagine there’s a lot of people around the league who think Ainge is shrewd.

Maybe the copy-cat league will do its thing.


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[Plossum]

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A BULLS first round pick? Alright, I'm listening.

Hard to imagine Lavine’s value in this bad. I’d rather just keep Lavine for now than attach a first to dump him. He’s actually playing pretty well. Aren’t many high quality FAs coming up either.

[ReasonablySober]

I’m perfectly fine sending that 2031 pick out - I just want to get something worth a damn in the trade.

Reminder that if we gave up an unprotected pick and it went worst case scenario and actually became the #1 pick, the median #1 guy is something like Andrew Wiggins.

Do what you gotta do to put us over the top.


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I feel like if you can get first round value out of a first rounder 6+ years from now, I don't think that's ever a bad idea. I will say again, also, that the Suns robbed Ainge through a hole in the sheet.

I was stunned to see the reaction to that deal. If the Bucks could turn their '31 1st into three first rounders I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Doing that deal gives you six years to plan around not having that pick be high. In the meantime you get three pieces you can trade or use.

[MikeIsGood]

Hard to imagine Lavine’s value in this bad. I’d rather just keep Lavine for now than attach a first to dump him. He’s actually playing pretty well. Aren’t many high quality FAs coming up either.

Yeah I am NOT a LaVine fan but this obviously makes no sense and smells like bull.

So considering it's coming from the Bulls maybe it's actually legit