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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#321 » by paulpressey25 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:49 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:So as much as we'd all hate it, it'd actually be pretty hilarious if Boston came back and won the series anyways. Would never have to hear any trash about Tatum being a Top-5 guy or MVP candidate ever again lol.


Think Tatum is a good guy. It’s not his fault he plays in Boston, where a massively disproportionate number of NBA media are from. And he’s a top five guy. But he’s probably #5 and there is decent gap between Tatum and say Giannis and Jokic.

Bill Simmons didn’t do him any favors with all his MVP nonsense the past year.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#322 » by Sigra » Tue May 13, 2025 10:12 pm

Tatum is #3 in my book. Better than SGA
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#323 » by Sigra » Tue May 13, 2025 10:27 pm

Anyway, right now it looks both Celtics and Nuggets are going to lose.

Jokic looks very tired. I never saw him this tired.
Tatum just had surgery.

So we got new champion. The streak will continue:
2019-Raptors
2020-Lakers
2021-Bucks
2022-Warriors
2023-Nuggets
2024-Celtics
2025-OKC or Timberwolves or Pacers or Knicks

At least NBA got that right.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#324 » by Prez » Tue May 13, 2025 11:29 pm

Feel bad for Tatum. Seems like a solid dude and he's a legit elite top 4-7 player in the league. He doesn't deserve this injury. But I wish there was a way to transfer his Achilles rupture away from him and to all the morons who were seriously trying to push the idea that he had surpassed Giannis as a player.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#325 » by tonyreyes123 » Tue May 13, 2025 11:30 pm

Sigra wrote:Anyway, right now it looks both Celtics and Nuggets are going to lose.

Jokic looks very tired. I never saw him this tired.
Tatum just had surgery.

So we got new champion. The streak will continue:
2019-Raptors
2020-Lakers
2021-Bucks
2022-Warriors
2023-Nuggets
2024-Celtics
2025-OKC or Timberwolves or Pacers or Knicks

At least NBA got that right.



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Re: ATL - Conference Semis 

Post#326 » by rilamann » Tue May 13, 2025 11:54 pm

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Cleveland might not be suited for the playoffs, and Indiana is a team of well-coached role players.

New York seems like the most talented in the East now, which isn't saying much at all. If we can take advantage of someone's cap hell (while managing our own) this offseason, we are right there.


Exactly.

The fact that the Knicks and Pacers will both (most likley) advance to the ECF makes me even more confident that the Bucks really aren't that far away from being back in the mix in the east.

I am not going to subscribe to the idea that the Knicks were a 51 win team and the Pacers were a 50 win team over the course of 6 months and now they magically became juggernauts over the past 2 weeks.

Knicks and Pacers are both good teams that stayed alive long enough to take advantage of the situations that they were presented with.

With a competent head coach, the Bucks as currently constructed could beat the Pacers or the Knicks in a best of 7 series. Not saying the Bucks would be a lock, but they would be capable of beating either team IMO.

With the Tatum injury, there won't be a tier 1 level contender in the east next season.

Next season, the east will likley be a similar situation like we see a lot in the NFL where you have no tier 1 unbeatable juggernaut in the conference, just a handful of good teams and the conference will be up for grabs.

In a situation like that, I can't think of a guy I would want more than a guy like Giannis. But it will all be for naught if you don't repalce Doc with a competent head coach.

If the Bucks had a competent head coach, they might still be playing right now.

I think a lot of people don't fully realize how truly bad of a head coach Doc Rivers is.
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Re: ATL - Conference Semis 

Post#327 » by raysbookclub » Wed May 14, 2025 12:13 am

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I think a lot of people don't fully realize how truly bad of a head coach Doc Rivers is.
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I only realized it this past 12 months. Culminating with the Pacers series, with that nonsensical starting lineup against the Pacers' three-guard lineup.
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Re: ATL - Conference Semis 

Post#328 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed May 14, 2025 12:35 am

rilamann wrote:
th87 wrote:
Cleveland might not be suited for the playoffs, and Indiana is a team of well-coached role players.

New York seems like the most talented in the East now, which isn't saying much at all. If we can take advantage of someone's cap hell (while managing our own) this offseason, we are right there.


Exactly.

The fact that the Knicks and Pacers will both (most likley) advance to the ECF makes me even more confident that the Bucks really aren't that far away from being back in the mix in the east..


yeah...for real...assuming we get a new coach....or doc got his head out of his ass this last playoff series..... and Shooting theJ is right about dame....we could be champs next year.

not even joking. this league is something else now. get defenders...bigs that can MOVE....shooters. surround giannis and tell him hes unleashed but that he needs to pass and trust his guys.....one apex star with AJ greens and GTJ's on heaters rule the league now.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#329 » by emunney » Wed May 14, 2025 12:37 am

Is it even possible to tear your Achilles' if you haven't made an All-NBA team?
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#330 » by PG Graveyard » Wed May 14, 2025 12:39 am

emunney wrote:Is it even possible to tear your Achilles' if you haven't made an All-NBA team?


It does seem to hit great players at a higher rate.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#331 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed May 14, 2025 12:54 am

emunney wrote:Is it even possible to tear your Achilles' if you haven't made an All-NBA team?


reaching basketball consciousness in the 80s i look back and achilles seemed really really rare. now like its everywhere all the time. its weird. i developed a weird anxiety in my early 40s when i made a short comeback playing ball in a rec league locally(i was still seminasty enough i should have been having fun for that level after not touching a ball in almost 10 years despite being groundbased).....but i quit after that one deal.... i kept thinking every time i played like i was lucky i didnt blow an achilles. getting hurt in general bothered me.....but it was the achilles i thought and even discussed with friends. it was anxiety inducing and took the fun out of it oddly

its the one injury that to me is just like sooooo **** that. acl tear would suck but whatever fine i can limp around. guys could still plow their fields in the old days with those. tear the **** out of both groins or hammys fine. brutal handicap but heals without surgery. head wounds or missing teeth whatever. pirate looking guys age with class. achilles?....no effing way im going down that road.

so strictly golf now. 200 rounds a year but no achilles worry. tiger just blew his but it was doing dumb stuff like lifting wieghts. i dont lift weights. like what am i trying for a super model at this age? maybe i can score one if they like pirates after theyve been stranded a year with healthy achilles.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#332 » by PintSizedBox10 » Wed May 14, 2025 12:56 am

So the Pacers are winning it all aren't they
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#333 » by Matches Malone » Wed May 14, 2025 12:58 am

PintSizedBox10 wrote:So the Pacers are winning it all aren't they


That Pacer/Knicks series is going to be fun. I could see Haliburton becoming the new Trae Young enemy #1 for knick fans after that series.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#334 » by MickeyDavis » Wed May 14, 2025 1:00 am

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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#335 » by blazza18 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:01 am

Mitchell half assed a layup attempt and got blocked when they were up 8 and I went oh boy that isn't what you want. This **** Pacers team man.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#336 » by Profound23 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:02 am

PintSizedBox10 wrote:So the Pacers are winning it all aren't they



I think it's more a Heat from 2023. Run into Milwaukee without Dame, Cleveland with Mitchell hurt, I'm guessing someone goes down in the NY series then they get killed in the Finals.

Just hoping it's not Denver again this time.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#337 » by rilamann » Wed May 14, 2025 1:05 am

Before the playoffs I said the Cavs were one of the most meh 60+ win teams I have ever seen.

Apparently, even with that comment I feel like I overrated them....lol.
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Post#338 » by Bernman » Wed May 14, 2025 1:09 am

Sabonis for Hali & Hield was a very bad trade by Sacto. Hali's a superior offensive operator to run your offense thru. Arguably the best of his generation. He's also less flawed than Sabonis as a defender, who's really sacrificing rim protection, & can't match up. As a bonus Indy got Hield.

I understand why Sacto did it. They had Fox. But even then they gave up the more impactful pg, who compelled a move a few yrs later anyway. And the return for Hali value-wise was questionable. Many liked it both ways at the time, but it hasn't aged well the way Hali's shined especially.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#339 » by rilamann » Wed May 14, 2025 1:09 am

Profound23 wrote:
PintSizedBox10 wrote:So the Pacers are winning it all aren't they



I think it's more a Heat from 2023. Run into Milwaukee without Dame, Cleveland with Mitchell hurt, I'm guessing someone goes down in the NY series then they get killed in the Finals.

Just hoping it's not Denver again this time.


The Pacers have caught some breaks, but they have been good enough and consistent enough that you have to say they are legit.

I don't think they are a tier 1 juggernaut, but they are pretty damn good.

I still say the Bucks could have beat them if the Bucks had a competent coach that simply just played common sense lineups.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#340 » by emunney » Wed May 14, 2025 1:18 am

Bernman wrote:Sabonis for Hali & Hield was a very bad trade by Sacto. Hali's a superior offensive operator to run your offense thru. Arguably the best of his generation. He's also less flawed than Sabonis as a defender, who's really sacrificing rim protection, & can't match up. As a bonus Indy got Hield.

I understand why Sacto did it. They had Fox. But even then they gave up the more impactful pg, who compelled a move a few yrs later anyway. And the return for Hali value-wise was questionable. Many liked it both ways at the time, but it hasn't aged well the way Hali's shined especially.


I don't remember many people liking it for Sacramento at the time, but maybe I just hated it enough for everybody.
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