Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[AussieBuck]

:lol:

I think we are being trolled.

[Frank Nova]

Didn't BuckPack stop posting because his insider isnt part of the organization now? I didn't think it was because of other posters... I could be way off tho?

[Max Green]

BuckPack stopped posting right around draft time, which is right around the time when the new Owners officially took over. Posters didn't run him off, he was praised by 99.9% of the posters here. I'm assuming he lost his sources.

[Frank Nova]

So basically exactly what I said? Lol

[raferfenix]

Things sure seem to be coming to a head in Denver...

http://www.denverpost.com/hochman/ci_27 ... -they-made

The good news is, Nuggets general manager Tim Connelly said by phone Monday: "We're very, very aggressive right now," in regard to trying to alter the roster.

The Kroenke family has shown an ability to rebuild a basketball team, be it starting over with Carmelo Anthony in 2003 or adding Chauncey Billups in 2008 to go to the next level. They're not naive to the current state of the team. Later on Monday night, team president Josh Kroenke said by phone, "while no one is happy with the status quo, we're watching it like hawks and have a good idea of what we think the issues are with our team and how to address them. Tim and the rest of our staff are working their tails off. And I know exactly what they think and where everything stands with our coaches and players. From my chair, it's just a matter of time when to make decisions (on possible moves). A good portion of deals is timing, and unfortunately our time frame has been drawn out due to different circumstances, mostly injuries. But I must say it again, our current state is not acceptable and our fans deserve better."

http://www.denverpost.com/lunchspecial/ ... -be-trying" target="_blank

I think it's hard to try to lose, try to tank, try to go out there with guys who are competing with you and not compete back," he said. " It's harder to do that than to just put forth the effort in the first place."

Shaw said he suspects his players may be trying to lose.

"It just looks like you almost have to try to lose as bad, and in the way we've been losing," he said. "At that point, something gives. The decision-makers at some point are going to make a decision. And everybody is going to have to live with it. Then it's out of our control.

[TroyD92]

I can get behind that for sure, would rather you guys keep Burke and Bucks get Collison however.

Not a fan of small PG, so that is just a bias on my part.

If you're not a fan of small pgs, why would you want Collison?

Because he is 6'1" and he can play defense.

The term "small PG" means a PG who cannot cover any position on the court. We already suffered through that with Mo and Jennings the last decade. It simply does not condone winning basketball when you have someone on the floor who cannot cover a single opponent.

You do know Jennings is bigger than Collision and Mo Williams dwarfs both of them (in lbs)?

[AussieBuck]

That and he can't defend for **** which is why he earns $5 million a year.

[Buckfan76]

My proposal http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qbsm8g7" target="_blank

I also like that deal but with a twist. 5 WAY TRADE!

[b][/Jazz get: Sova, D. Collison, 2017 LAC 1st rd pick. My thinking is with Burks coming back next year and with R. Hood they don't need Nik. They get a 1st for Nik which some might say is a deal breaker. I like Nik, I think he'd do well in MKE.

Kings get: Knight, T. Jones, & OJ Mayo. Knight is a wild card. Like someone said not sure if SAC. sees Knight as a big upgrade over Collison. But they get T. Jones from HOUS. whose a stretch 4. They've said they want a stretch 4 or a defensive 4. Mayo comes in to bring a vet. presence to help BMac.

Houston gets: Zaza. With Howard hurt they need a good C. In comes Zaza.

Bucks get: J. Terry, T. Spittler, T. Burke, Stauskus, & Kanter. JT is a vet whose got a ring s has playoff exp. and he's expiring. Splitter takes over Zaza role as a backup vet to Kanter. T. Burke becomes our PG. I have faith that Kidd that can mold Burke into a good PG. Nik comes in and plays a bigger role he had in SAC with backing up Middleton. Kanter becomes our 5.

So our lineup would be something like this:

Burke (Bayless) (JT)
Middleton (Stauskus)
Giannis (Dudley)
Henson (K. Mart ?)
Kanter (Splitter) b]

[emunney]

That and he can't defend for **** which is why he earns $5 million a year.

Yeah, but "defends" means "shoots".

[yoshii8]

Would anyone do an Ersan for Dejuan Blair and Andre Miller deal? They might have to throw in a draft pick. It would save us money for next year and give us some good depth.

[Lippo]

Ersan/Zaza/LAC 1st
for
Milller/Porter/Sepharin/2nd

-Frees some cap for next year
-Otto could be a piece going forward

[mlloyd10]

Ersan/Zaza/LAC 1st
for
Milller/Porter/Sepharin/2nd

-Frees some cap for next year
-Otto could be a piece going forward

Listen to Wizards fans...They would never do this.

[mlloyd10]

Knight/Ilyasova for Lawson/Hickson

[M-C-G]

Knight/Ilyasova for Lawson/Hickson

I'm not sure Denver would love that deal.

[Giannis Parker]

You do know Jennings is bigger than Collision and Mo Williams dwarfs both of them (in lbs)?

Glad you read my post.....

[Giannis Parker]

Knight/Ilyasova for Lawson/Hickson

Not trading Knight for any deal involving an older player that is not clearly better than him overall. Just simply makes no sense. Just seems to me a lot of the Knight haters either A) think he is older and has no potential, or B) think that because he is not a star he sucks. Hard to understand either of those viewpoints.

[LUKE23]

No, they think he will be overpaid for his best role (sixth man), that he's ineffective at running PG, and that we have a better SG on the roster already who will cost less (Middleton). All of these are correct. Knight's a good kid but his fit on this roster moving forward is very questionable, especially if he gets the contract that many are expecting.

The Bucks are better off in terms of winning games if they keep Middleton, and trade Knight as opposed to spending $12M+ per year on him. And anyone that still argues he's an impact player at PG for us is being intentionally ignorant and ignoring not only a mountain of statistical evidence, but also what they see on the court.

[M-C-G]

Knight/Ilyasova for Lawson/Hickson

Not trading Knight for any deal involving an older player that is not clearly better than him overall. Just simply makes no sense. Just seems to me a lot of the Knight haters either A) think he is older and has no potential, or B) think that because he is not a star he sucks. Hard to understand either of those viewpoints.

Not interested in turning this into a Knight debate thread, but even the Knight supporters get there are serious flaws in his game that impact the performance of others. For me, unless we get something back I really covet, I am willing to roll the dice with him, but I understand why others simply think he will never make those around him better, I disagree with it, but I understand it.

I think you made a good point, a lot of this is based on people's expectations, and that he does not meet their expectations. For me, I am in the camp that he will continue to improve as a team player under Kidd, and that if he can't, the club needs to put him in a role where the team is successful as a whole by minimizing his flaws (be it off guard, off the bench, whatever).

[Giannis Parker]

Knight/Ilyasova for Lawson/Hickson

Not trading Knight for any deal involving an older player that is not clearly better than him overall. Just simply makes no sense. Just seems to me a lot of the Knight haters either A) think he is older and has no potential, or B) think that because he is not a star he sucks. Hard to understand either of those viewpoints.

Not interested in turning this into a Knight debate thread, but even the Knight supporters get there are serious flaws in his game that impact the performance of others. For me, unless we get something back I really covet, I am willing to roll the dice with him, but I understand why others simply think he will never make those around him better, I disagree with it, but I understand it.

I think you made a good point, a lot of this is based on people's expectations, and that he does not meet their expectations. For me, I am in the camp that he will continue to improve as a team player under Kidd, and that if he can't, the club needs to put him in a role where the team is successful as a whole by minimizing his flaws (be it off guard, off the bench, whatever).

That is my stance as well.

Knight is a borderline All-Star talent at the age of 23, that means he is a pretty darn good player, and still has room to grow. I would rather let the market set the price for him, and if we feel that price is simply too high, then work the phones to find an offer. A part of me feels the market for him may not be as high as many on here speculate, simply based on who the buyers are in the market. I also share the same opinion with Middleton.

RFA is an asset for the Bucks, and I think they would be foolish to deal him early and squander the potential bidding war via sign and trade for him in the offseason if his market price does indeed become too high. Again, I feel the exact same way about Middleton.

If I am making trades, I am moving Zaza, Mayo, or Ersan, I would like to keep all other pieces as they can be bargain pieces during the draft or in the offseason. By bargain piece I mean a last piece that we can throw in to really pull in that big catch.

[jakecronus8]

If you don't think Lawson is a better point guard than Knight, I have to question your ability to evaluate basketball players, GP.