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#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#341 » by europa » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:00 pm

JayMKE wrote:Not surprised to see people come out the woodwork to praise Hammond once again


Assuming the Bucks don't muck up the pick tomorrow night this is a good trade. I don't see why it can't be recognized as such.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#342 » by Sherman Douglas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:01 pm

I love the "Dalembert is solid" posts. That's great. We added a role playing center to a crappy team about to lose its best player in FA. This is another treading water, directionless move that accomplishes nothing.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#343 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:01 pm

From a Rockets beat writer:

‏@Jonathan_Feigen Rockets move entirely to move up 2 spots, but do like what they've seen from Leuer. Livingston had best season since injury, incl vs them.


Again, its a "whatever" trade. Decent for both teams. No reason to make a stink. No reason to throw a party.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#344 » by msiris » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:01 pm

weezybaby856 wrote:Dalembert is def no allstar stud center but he's had a solid career anchoring the defensive side of the ball and protecting the rim. Somethin the bucks needed badly.  Zeller will be lucky as heck to ever reach the ceiling of a dalembert type. I don't ever see that happening.  Meyers Leonard has a ceiling of probably being as good as dalembert.  Taking 1 of those 2 goons over making this trade would have been atrocious forreal. Being against this trade or thinking it was bad is beyond idiotic. The talent at 14 is identical to 12. Literately IDENTICAL. Adding Dalembert and dismissing Zeller/Leonard and/or trading up for Henson is a dream come true.
You will look stupid if any of thoses guys pan out. I really dont want thoses guys as well, but people are really over rating Dally as well.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#345 » by Bfinkish » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:01 pm

i want crowder
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#346 » by Newz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:01 pm

Sherman Douglas wrote:I love the "Dalembert is solid" posts.


I like posts that use common sense too.

No one is saying this move is winning us a championship. Calm down, brah.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#347 » by Frank Nova » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 pm

Nebula1 wrote:I think this was a solid step in the right direction.


Yes! My exact thought of the situation. This is a solid stop gap replacement for Bogut and will make draft night 1,000,000 times better in multiple ways.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#348 » by xTitan » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 pm

On the surface it is a good deal, but what does it get you? Might get you into the playoffs, might get Johnny a contract extension, won't get you closer to a star, definitely doesn't get you closer to a championship....what it really does is delay the inevitable tear down and might possibly put this team in more peril of leaving the city.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#349 » by Bfinkish » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 pm

how about drafting rivers at 14 and pairing him with gooden to ship the 2 out to boston and we get boston's 21 and 22 overall and go sullinger and quincy miller with crowder in the 2nd.....
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#350 » by raferfenix » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:03 pm

If our team is staying with the win-now philosophy, what this means is we will have a better product to watch next season at least.

We can't change the win-now effort, so this is a undeniably a positive.

As PP says ad nauseum, our franchise has barely had any 45+ win seasons in Kohl's tenure. Even getting into that range (rather than trying to hang onto the 8th seed for dear life) would constitute a big improvement over the garbage we are typically fed year after year.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#351 » by SpursNBucks » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:03 pm

Newz wrote:
JoeHova wrote:
Newz wrote:Not much else needs to be said.


I guess I don't get the Sanders love. Sanders looks far closer to being out of the league than to being a productive big. There's nothing there to hold onto, except that he blocks a few shots while fouling at an astronomical rate. Well, maybe he's the next Joel Anthony. Woohoo.


The Larry Sanders' love? Because I'm saying he's better than Jon Leuer?


People have to have something to cry bitch about- suddenly Leuer is this fantastic PF prospect that was about to tear it up. Are you kidding me? The guy will hang around the league as a backup end of the bench guy for some years, but don't expect much more. He doesn't like the inside game and we have enough guys like that. I also think you have Wisconsin = UW fans that don't like this move. I am one, but realize this was a good move for the Bucks.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#352 » by Treebeard » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:03 pm

IF Skiles is still around for next season, that maybe gives Leuer a shot at seeing some playing time down in Houston. With Skiles really short leash on him, he wasn't going to see much in Milwaukee - that is if Skiles is still the coach....
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#353 » by jr lucosa » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:04 pm

I wouldn't take those guys at 21 & 22 but i'd do the deal.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#354 » by JayMKE » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:04 pm

I guess it's good Hammond is so stupid to think Dalembert is the answer at center

It's a win now trade without realizing that Dalembert sucks
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#355 » by europa » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:04 pm

xTitan wrote:Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down


Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#356 » by Newz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:05 pm

Also, if we don't resign Ersan... I don't think people really have to worry about us not 'tanking'. Gooden will do that himself. :P
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#357 » by msiris » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:05 pm

europa wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Not surprised to see people come out the woodwork to praise Hammond once again


Assuming the Bucks don't muck up the pick tomorrow night this is a good trade. I don't see why it can't be recognized as such.
I see it as a side step. We finally got a back up center, but we still need a starter down the road. The pick is the biggest thing. :D
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#358 » by Treebeard » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:05 pm

europa wrote:
xTitan wrote:Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down


Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.



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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#359 » by jr lucosa » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:06 pm

europa wrote:
xTitan wrote:Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down


Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.



And James Harden will be a RFA :droop:
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#360 » by Sherman Douglas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:06 pm

Newz wrote:
No one is saying this move is winning us a championship. Calm down, brah.

No, what it does is add another "meh" veteran player to a team that is nowhere close to winning. This is the epitome of a totally pointless trade. If people want to just say "whatever" to it then that makes sense, but trying to make it sound like a good move is just stupid. It accomplishes nothing.

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