Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[MrPerfect1]

If the Bucks could make a deal for Bledsoe that'd be a dream come true.

PG: Bledsoe- Wolters
SG: Knight- Mayo/ Middleton
SF: Giannis- Middleton
PF: Parker- Henson
C: Sanders- Henson/Zaza

How some people around here can think that team wouldn't be around at least 45 wins next year I don't truly get, assuming Sanders gets his act together. We play in the freaking East and that line-up has 4 potential All-Stars (Bledsoe, Giannis, Parker and Sanders) in it, maybe not next year but soon enough and just on the hit or miss potential would be in the top end of the East. Seriously Giannis next year in that starting line-up would probably be the least productive player unless he makes a huge leap this year, I think he'll make his huge leap in year 3 but hey it could happen sooner.

Ok maybe Sanders won't ever make an All-Star game but he very well could be in the running for DPOY so I'll still put him in that group. So like I said I just don't really see how anybody could be dead set against this team going forward. If 4 potential All-Stars wouldn't make you happy as a Bucks fan then maybe you need to stop watching the NBA....

We can have 4 potential All Stars merely by sucking again and getting 1 more top 3-5 pick.

I just do not see why we would rather have a 24 year old, coming off of a devastating injury, making 15 mil potential All Star instead of a 19 year old, completely healthy potential All Star who is making like 3 mil.

Because I don't think there's anyway we're picking in the top 5 next year without one hell of a lucky ping pong ball bounce with or without Bledsoe. It took a perfect storm for the Bucks to be as bad as they were last year. Added development from Wolters, Middleton, Knight, Henson and Giannis coupled with Sanders coming back and hopefully a much better coach I don't see anyway barring injury's that this team is picking in the top 5. In fact you can make the argument that unless we pick #1 overall then we're going to have to move Sanders for pennies on the dollar considering theres a good chance we'd most likely be drafting a big that high if Mudiay is off the board. And as of right now Mudiay is the only one that has me intrigued when it comes to potential Bucks

But like I said I don't think the Bucks will be nearly as bad as u think next year with or without Bledsoe. So givein the choice I'm going to go the with Bledsoe choice versus the "Hope and a Prayer" for a lucky bounce when it comes to the lottery

Mudiay does seem like an ideal fit currently and likely is a target for PHI too. Also,I have high hopes for Sanders. However, replacing Sanders with a possible stud big man could be huge too. A big who is an offensive presence while also providing strong defense improves our team significantly.

I keep looking back at the Thunder. Even with Elite talents you do not win with 19 year olds. Without Bledsoe we are very below average/bad at PG (especially if Wolters doesn't play) and SG, have 19 year old forwards, and a gigantic question mark at C. This team would need huge years from Sanders/Ersan/Mayo/Delfino and basically hope our bench unit can win us tons of games.

With Bledsoe I could see us winning 30 or more since he would give us a desperately needed penetrator/shot creator for others whereas I see around 20 without him due to a strengthened Eastern Conference plus our abundance of youth.

[DutchManDanFan]

Obviously Kidd is looking for another PG. That's why I made the other thread, where I put a list of all top PG's on the first page: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1331327

[coolhandluke121]

It's not just about tanking next year. It's about saving the cap space as well. You could tank for another top-5 pick and pursue a max contract player next year. But if you pursue Bledsoe this year, that's all you're getting.

Waiting would be like staying in a crappy, cheap apartment in a remote location for another year so you can save up money and buy a house, rather than upgrading to a nicer but more expensive apartment and thereby assuring that you will probably never be able to afford a house. That's the argument. It's not like this is their only chance to offer a good restricted free agent a max contract (or negotiate a sign-and-trade).

[White+Purple]

It's not just about tanking next year. It's about saving the cap space as well. You could tank for another top-5 pick and pursue a max contract player next year. But if you pursue Bledsoe this year, that's all you're getting.

Waiting would be like staying in a crappy, cheap apartment in a remote location for another year so you can save up money and buy a house, rather than upgrading to a nicer but more expensive apartment and thereby assuring that you will probably never be able to afford a house. That's the argument. It's not like this is their only chance to offer a good restricted free agent a max contract (or negotiate a sign-and-trade).

There's not been any talk of Sanders being shopped though, and our SOS is going to be pretty damn weak.

The owners need to be prepared to tear it down again as soon as needed, and if that means trading high on Giannis or Jabari while they're still on their rookie contract then so be it.

[coolhandluke121]

It's not just about tanking next year. It's about saving the cap space as well. You could tank for another top-5 pick and pursue a max contract player next year. But if you pursue Bledsoe this year, that's all you're getting.

Waiting would be like staying in a crappy, cheap apartment in a remote location for another year so you can save up money and buy a house, rather than upgrading to a nicer but more expensive apartment and thereby assuring that you will probably never be able to afford a house. That's the argument. It's not like this is their only chance to offer a good restricted free agent a max contract (or negotiate a sign-and-trade).

There's not been any talk of Sanders being shopped though, and our SOS is going to be pretty damn weak.

The owners need to be prepared to tear it down again as soon as needed, and if that means trading high on Giannis or Jabari while they're still on their rookie contract then so be it.

I'm confident that Sanders will be traded if the Bucks have a chance to tank again and he plays reasonably well. Just because they're not trying to trade him now probably doesn't mean anything.

I'm always in favor of trading a player during or after his 3rd year if it doesn't look like he's a franchise cornerstone. That's when he starts hurting your chances to tank, but his trade value is at its highest because he's still on his rookie deal. You can trade him for rookies and more picks. But it's premature to start thinking that about Giannis and Parker right now.

[eagle13]

Bledose – NO to Max Salary
Bledsoe – YES if for $42mil/3 yr tops and trade cost Knight Ersan Middleton 2015-1stLP tops.

You do realize a max contract is like 1 more year and a miniscule amount more more per year right?

2 mil/yr and 1 year less that's a total of $22 million difference between max and what I offered - is that a miniscule amount?

[Chapter29]

That's not bad. Still think around 30 wins

[White+Purple]

I'm confident that Sanders will be traded if the Bucks have a chance to tank again and he plays reasonably well. Just because they're not trying to trade him now probably doesn't mean anything.

I'm always in favor of trading a player during or after his 3rd year if it doesn't look like he's a franchise cornerstone. That's when he starts hurting your chances to tank, but his trade value is at its highest because he's still on his rookie deal. You can trade him for rookies and more picks. But it's premature to start thinking that about Giannis and Parker right now.

If Bledsoe-SG-Giannis-Parker-Sanders isn't looking like it will produce a cornerstone then you have to be prepared to tear it down and move on to the next group of prospects. But I think you were agreeing with that in principle.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm confident that Sanders will be traded if the Bucks have a chance to tank again and he plays reasonably well. Just because they're not trying to trade him now probably doesn't mean anything.

I'm always in favor of trading a player during or after his 3rd year if it doesn't look like he's a franchise cornerstone. That's when he starts hurting your chances to tank, but his trade value is at its highest because he's still on his rookie deal. You can trade him for rookies and more picks. But it's premature to start thinking that about Giannis and Parker right now.

If Bledsoe-SG-Giannis-Parker-Sanders isn't looking like it will produce a cornerstone then you have to be prepared to tear it down and move on to the next group of prospects. But I think you were agreeing with that in principle.

Yes. Regarding Bledsoe, I'd say the timing isn't perfect but you have to be willing to deviate from a plan when an opportunity to acquire a great asset comes your way. However, this isn't such an opportunity because I believe several teams with a max slot will be willing to give up more for Bledsoe than I'd like the Bucks to.

[White+Purple]

Yes. Regarding Bledsoe, I'd say the timing isn't perfect but you have to be willing to deviate from a plan when an opportunity to acquire a great asset comes your way. However, this isn't such an opportunity because I believe several teams with a max slot will be willing to give up more for Bledsoe than I'd like the Bucks to.

At first glance the 2015 FA class looks very thin.

[Mihai]

Bledsoe would be great, sure. Lin would make sense also, on and off the court. He's a decent player and would provide a big fanbase for the Bucks.

But hell no to Greivous. No need for a turnover prone, no D, PG on this team right now.

[Wisky4life]

Everyone is talking about assets. Is there way to do a sign and trade with Phoenix but also make it a 3-way with Houston? Not sure what would all get passed around, but there is an idea.

[KingWing]

Apologies if this has been posted already, but here's a nice FA scouting report on Bledsoe by Draft Express.

Basically says he has tremendous athletic/fastbreak/penetrating and finishing ability, but he's not a good shooter, not a real PG, and has a history of injuries.

One of the most forboding points came at the very end:
"Athletic PGs don't have a history of longevity in the NBA"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VohhomZgwMw[/youtube]

[LedZepp007]

Max him and let Kidd work on him. How many games do we win next year if we add Bledsoe and keep most of our pieces?

[Chapter29]

IMO wins with or without Bledsoe are going to depend in large part on the success of Giannis and Parker.

I think these 2 guys are going to do pretty well this year.

[WRau1]

I really like Bledsoe but I don't know if I like the idea of giving him the max and I really don't like the idea of giving him the max while giving up 2 or 3 assets to get him. I think I might be leaning toward just going into the season with what we have and trying to dump Knight, Zaza, Ersan and Mayo for picks in next years draft or shorter contracts.

[MetroDrugUnit]

I like Bledsoe but not for what he costs and not for what we need in a PG. We'll never get him anyways unless we do a lose our ass sign and trade. The other guys have issues and are really no better than Knight who isn't really a PG anyways. I think Kidd needs to pipe the **** down and play who we got, at least for next season.

[Fan from Dade]

If you're gonna look at bringing in a "true PG" then looking at Bledsoe makes no sense. He is the same type of player that Knight is and injury prone. To give him a max would be lunacy. He averages 3.3 turnovers a game and 5.5 assist in 33 mins. He is just a highlight reel in terms of a true PG. Now, I like him as a player but he isn't all that different from whats already here. That just doesn't add up. He may be a smokescreen.

Lin is ok but his defense is terrible. Ball Defense that is; he does ok in the passing lanes and off the ball. Could be decent enough to come over but he ends up coming off the bench. But his contract. Would have to get a 1st with him. 4.1 assist and 2.5 turnovers in 29 minutes.

Vasquez, is the better player for the Bucks here. He can play in a two PG set if need be and fits also if you want to play him as the primary ball handler with Knight off the ball. His defense isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be and he isn't a turnover machine. Not sure where that comes from; he averaged 1.6 per game. And heh as proven that he can be a starter in this league.

[Wiscfan92]

Lin
Vasquez
Bledsoe

I can't believe I just typed Jeremy Lin ahead of anyone else ever, but here's my take.

I think Lin will be the easiest to acquire and offer the most upside in terms of what I view as best for the team, in no real order but all the same value.
#1.) although he has that crazy payment, his deal is just for one season and is a nice filler while they figure out a PG for the future. These guys already proved they don't mind paying money if it's best for the team long-term considering they still have to pay Drew his contract on-top of Kidds new deal, which isn't too cheap.
#2.) getting Lin to run the point for this team gives us the best chance of not being that good next season and still end up with a top-7 pick and then he's gone after one season.
#3.) we would reap the benefits of Houston's desperate chance to sign a top end free agent to fulfill their championship aspirations. This is where the bucks come in, we take NO first-rounder along with another young, probably foreign, player to stash or come in right away depending on who and at what position. We get more picks to potentially use to package a deal or just keep bringing in young, talented players.

I wouldn't mind Vasquez but it seems as though he'll end up back in Toronto. Be interesting to see for how much, considering they just gave Lowry all that money at the same position. I think he'd be a great facilitator for this team and really could do an efficient job to create shots for our young guys.

I was a bigger Bledsoe fan leading up to this season and offseason but the injury problems at a young age scare me with any player. I cannot get behind the notion of giving him $13-$15 million when he has not put up spectacular numbers and continues to be injury-plagued, so I'd like to pass on him. He does seem to have promise in the NBA but with this franchise in a critical stage, I don't see him as the right fit for the Bucks. We need someone to get these guys the ball and work thru them, and not try to "get theirs" because they play on a crappy team.










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[Godgers]

Max Bledsoe lol. So many people just want to throw away the future just for a few more wins that mean nothing, and will hurt the teams future.

How about building through the draft and enjoying watching our young players grow and getting a nice lotto pick for the next few years to build the team with.