2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[M-C-G]

The idea that anyone would deal Middleton for a late lottery pick blows my mind.

So. Bad.

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God I hope not. A year ago people immediately tossed the idea of Middleton for Boston's pick, but now after a brutal hamstring tear and half a season people want to give him up for a late lottery?

I think one person was talking about the 12th pick. I was mentioning a top 7 pick and a number of other assets and salary. My preference is to not trade him unless the deal is so good that we don't take much of a step backward.

He realistically has two years left and I am not sure he is going to be worth his next contract. His D has been overrated and I think there are some potential red flags with his attitude and chemistry with Giannis and Parker. His max trade value is essentially this off season. Again, I'm not moving him unless I feel like the return is so good we aren't taking a step back.




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[Gianstoppable]

Who has a more fun highlight reel than Deonte Burton?

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He's like Waiters + 40 lbs of pure athleticism.

Holy cow does he pass the eye test. What's the reason this dude isn't in any mocks?

[Gam]

The idea that anyone would deal Middleton for a late lottery pick blows my mind.

So. Bad.

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Gets complicated if it also allows us to dump a bunch of salary and we have eyes for a major FA. I don't see anything realistic out there. Sometimes unrealistic things happen I guess.

The only reason I've been entertaining the idea of trading Middleton is that I'm not 100% convinced that he's totally okay with this being Giannis' team. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what the truth, but that's just what his body language has been telling me since he returned from injury.

[emunney]

The idea that anyone would deal Middleton for a late lottery pick blows my mind.

So. Bad.

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Gets complicated if it also allows us to dump a bunch of salary and we have eyes for a major FA. I don't see anything realistic out there. Sometimes unrealistic things happen I guess.

The only reason I've been entertaining the idea of trading Middleton is that I'm not 100% convinced that he's totally okay with this being Giannis' team. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what the truth, but that's just what his body language has been telling me since he returned from injury.

The only reasons I'm entertaining it is that I'm not 100% convinced he's going to physically come all the way back and will forever be a liability isolated against quick wing players, and also he's not SO good that getting something more valuable in return is unfathomable. But it's not super fathomable either.

[bucksfansince88]

I hope Deonte Burton gets drafted, great story, great kid with a crazy work ethic. He doesnt have a clear cut position in the NBA but he will be a contributor if given an opportunity. id try to get another 2nd to take him.

[bucksfansince88]

The idea that anyone would deal Middleton for a late lottery pick blows my mind.

So. Bad.

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Gets complicated if it also allows us to dump a bunch of salary and we have eyes for a major FA. I don't see anything realistic out there. Sometimes unrealistic things happen I guess.

The only reason I've been entertaining the idea of trading Middleton is that I'm not 100% convinced that he's totally okay with this being Giannis' team. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what the truth, but that's just what his body language has been telling me since he returned from injury.

hes made many public comments insinuating that hes cool not being the guy. Id entertain trading him because hes never come into training camp in top shape and ready to go.

[skones]

Gets complicated if it also allows us to dump a bunch of salary and we have eyes for a major FA. I don't see anything realistic out there. Sometimes unrealistic things happen I guess.

The only reason I've been entertaining the idea of trading Middleton is that I'm not 100% convinced that he's totally okay with this being Giannis' team. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what the truth, but that's just what his body language has been telling me since he returned from injury.

The only reasons I'm entertaining it is that I'm not 100% convinced he's going to physically come all the way back and will forever be a liability isolated against quick wing players, and also he's not SO good that getting something more valuable in return is unfathomable. But it's not super fathomable either.

He's never been a great individual defender IMO. His strength has always been making the correct rotations, understanding spacing, etc. I guess if that's your knock on him, I understand it, but at the same time, I've always viewed him as that sort of defender. With how our defense is structured, he's slowly rounded himself into the quarterback we lost in Dudley during 14-15.

Even his impact on the floor while coming back from injury was undeniable. In dealing him for a pick, say even top 7, you set the team back at LEAST two years. At some point, this team needs to take a NOW approach with Giannis in play rather than a "future" approach. If you deal Midds, I think you take too big of a risk with the overall success of the team and have guys potentially sour on each other. To be painfully honest, I think we're pretty lucky already after 15-16 went down through Middleton's return this season. You're playing with fire if he goes.

I guess I'm of the opinion that his playoff performance left too much of a sour taste in some mouths here. Nobody was saying he was never going to be 100% during March where he averaged 17 points 4.5 rebounds 3.5 assists 1.6 steals on 47.8/44.7/87 shooting. It was reasonable to expect him to run out of gas.

[Prez]

By about the end of March onwards Mids looked like he was at death's door 15 minutes into every game. Not to mention he was apparently playing sick like half the Raps series. He gets a full pass from me. I get the concern that he might not ever get back to his old form but I'm at least giving him a chance. Because if he does we're talking a fringe AS type impact guy.

[Pachinko_]

I *suspect* if any other team got Giannis they would sell the farm to try and win right now, whether he's 22 years old or not.
Giannis might look like he's **** around all summer but then in October he will somehow come back looking even better, because that's what Giannis does.

I *suspect* that the time for accumulating and developing talent is long gone and every year going forward is a missed opportunity. If we're not ready to compete then too bad, another year lost.

[Fotis St]

I *suspect* if any other team got Giannis they would sell the farm to try and win right now, whether he's 22 years old or not.
Giannis might look like he's **** around all summer but then in October he will somehow come back looking even better, because that's what Giannis does.

I *suspect* that the time for accumulating and developing talent is long gone and every year going forward is a missed opportunity. If we're not ready to compete then too bad, another year lost.

I think we are all frustrated from our Core's injuries. Add the fact that we don't have a GM and the fans' stress goes sky high.
I think it would be smarter to clear cap space as probable and wait for a star to come in.
In between add talent via picks...
We don't even know how far Khris-Giannis-Jabari can take us...
New GM will set the tone ... and Jason Kidd is a bad in game coach...

PS I am not jealous of the Raptors,Wizards position, the Celtics, SIxers will be the main threat moving forward...
The only player that I am thinking to cash in is Middleton, cause his contract expires in 2 seasons.
And I really like a healthy Mid on a team friendly contract.
If I was Bucks GM and thinking what you think I would be all over Dwyane Wade now... At least he would come for free.

[tyland]

I believe #covfefe is shooting up many teams big boards at the moment.

[Fotis St]

I believe #covefefe is shooting up many teams big boards at the moment.

What is that ?

[tyland]

I believe #covfefe is shooting up many teams big boards at the moment.

What is that ?

Google it (now with corrected spelling above).

Or should I be saying 'google me slime' like SJax.

[Fotis St]

Quiz : Who is the MCW of this draft class ?

The one who finds him first wins multiple and1s

[Gianstoppable]

Quiz : Who is the MCW of this draft class ?

The one who finds him first wins multiple and1s

Edmond Sumner

[machu46]

Quiz : Who is the MCW of this draft class ?

The one who finds him first wins multiple and1s

Sumner would probably have been my answer, though Sumner is nowhere near the prospect that MCW was back when he was entering the draft.

Not a PG, but this dude's scouting report and shot chart sound like him:

http://nbadraft.theringer.com/?player=p_dozier

[Fotis St]

Quiz : Who is the MCW of this draft class ?

The one who finds him first wins multiple and1s

Edmond Sumner

The winner is Gianstoppable

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[jakecronus8]

I *suspect* if any other team got Giannis they would sell the farm to try and win right now, whether he's 22 years old or not.
Giannis might look like he's **** around all summer but then in October he will somehow come back looking even better, because that's what Giannis does.

I *suspect* that the time for accumulating and developing talent is long gone and every year going forward is a missed opportunity. If we're not ready to compete then too bad, another year lost.

The problem is, imo, that there is nowhere near a Championship core here. Middleton is not good enough to be a #2 guy and depending on Jabari is a recipe for disaster. His knee is a ticking time bomb, and many still questioned his fit/real impact before the second ACL. To me the only way to add another piece to make the Bucks a championship contender is via free agency. That's not happening any time soon because of foolish deals given out last year, so we're probably wasting two years or so as is. There's a lot to like about Thon and Brogdon, but they are both 24.

Giannis is 22. I think this is a critical point for the Bucks. He's young enough where you could do a reset and have plenty of prime years left for the Bucks to contend. Problem is we need better leadership and a strong front office. You'd have to sit down with Giannis and explain to him what your long term plan is. Might be nice to have any kind of GM to do that at the moment.

[Badgerlander]

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[emunney]

Tim Duncan without defense is Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol without rebounding is Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez without skill is Jarrett Allen.