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[ShootingtheJ]

Brook is a perennial DPOY candidate and costs a fraction of KM. That's clear to anyone that's objective and not a relative or close friend.

I don't care about regular season awards. The Bucks defense against the Pacers in the playoffs was 20 points/100 better when Brook sat. He gets absolutely cooked in the playoffs by floor stretching centers, and every contender has one.

Also, he doesn't cost a fraction of Middleton, Brook was paid $25 million last year, and he was not in any conversation for DPOY last year.

Yea, he was bad against the Pacers last year. Everyone was.

vs other teams in the East:

Philly: +34.2
Boston +12.0
Miami +12.0
NYK: +9.0
Orlando +3.0
Cleveland -11.5

Unless we're getting another huge seven foot rim protector who also spaces the floor, we're not trading Brook.

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't care about regular season awards. The Bucks defense against the Pacers in the playoffs was 20 points/100 better when Brook sat. He gets absolutely cooked in the playoffs by floor stretching centers, and every contender has one.

Also, he doesn't cost a fraction of Middleton, Brook was paid $25 million last year, and he was not in any conversation for DPOY last year.

Yea, he was bad against the Pacers last year. Everyone was.

vs other teams in the East:

Philly: +34.2
Boston +12.0
Miami +12.0
NYK: +9.0
Orlando +3.0
Cleveland -11.5

Unless we're getting another huge seven foot rim protector who also spaces the floor, we're not trading Brook.

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.

[-Jragon-]

I don't care about regular season awards. The Bucks defense against the Pacers in the playoffs was 20 points/100 better when Brook sat. He gets absolutely cooked in the playoffs by floor stretching centers, and every contender has one.

Also, he doesn't cost a fraction of Middleton, Brook was paid $25 million last year, and he was not in any conversation for DPOY last year.

Yea, he was bad against the Pacers last year. Everyone was.

vs other teams in the East:

Philly: +34.2
Boston +12.0
Miami +12.0
NYK: +9.0
Orlando +3.0
Cleveland -11.5

Unless we're getting another huge seven foot rim protector who also spaces the floor, we're not trading Brook.

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Nah he's still one of the better rim protectors in the game. Blaming Brook for any 3 point shots too is ridiculous.. that's coaching ignorance to believe that he's superman and be in 2 places at once. Bud knew that...

[CharityStripe34]

The entire focus should be on dumping the overpriced vet that is a massive playoff liability. Brook needs to go, too bad Horst gave him that horrific contract.

I personally would've shopped Brook in 2022 the second we lost in Game 7. His value was still high and the team could've found a more athletic big who can play out of the dunker.

But, and I may be wrong, wasn't there a Middleton for Haliburton trade rumor that was on the table (or did I misread) in 2022? Obviously no way to know that Haliburton would turn out to be as good as he is.

[-Jragon-]

Yeah you guys are kind of right I guess... checking the salaries
KM at 31mil and BL at 24mil isn't as much of a gap as I thought. They each have useful "difference maker" skills and can still start so the salaries aren't actually terrible.

Contrarily, both are also getting older and slower in a league that's getting faster. The league is also becoming volume 3 point shooting teams and neither 1 is that great at that.

In conclusion, trading them only for a clear upgrade makes sense. If we're worried about KM's health, so are other teams so they aren't backing up the brink trucks to get him.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yea, he was bad against the Pacers last year. Everyone was.

vs other teams in the East:

Philly: +34.2
Boston +12.0
Miami +12.0
NYK: +9.0
Orlando +3.0
Cleveland -11.5

Unless we're getting another huge seven foot rim protector who also spaces the floor, we're not trading Brook.

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.

Why? Bucks had the best Indiana defense in the playoffs when Brook was off the court, and that's despite Beasley playing heavy minutes, and maybe playing huge minutes.

Brook was also cooked from 3 by Boston and Brooklyn. Miami ran tons of DHOs to get uncontested 3s.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yea, he was bad against the Pacers last year. Everyone was.

vs other teams in the East:

Philly: +34.2
Boston +12.0
Miami +12.0
NYK: +9.0
Orlando +3.0
Cleveland -11.5

Unless we're getting another huge seven foot rim protector who also spaces the floor, we're not trading Brook.

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Nah he's still one of the better rim protectors in the game. Blaming Brook for any 3 point shots too is ridiculous.. that's coaching ignorance to believe that he's superman and be in 2 places at once. Bud knew that...

Bud let Brook give up 9- 3s to both Horford and Grant Williams.

[Ron Swanson]

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.

Why? Bucks had the best Indiana defense in the playoffs when Brook was off the court, and that's despite Beasley playing heavy minutes, and maybe playing huge minutes.

Brook was also cooked from 3 by Boston and Brooklyn. Miami ran tons of DHOs to get uncontested 3s.

It'll never not be funny that you just keep ignoring that Bobby was the one that literally got yanked off the court and even DNP'd in those series cuz he was THAT bad. Like, no **** Brook has deficiencies trying to close out hard on 3PT shooters, but he was still the best option to throw out there and scapegoating him for the entire team's perimeter defense doesn't change that.

[ReasonablySober]

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.

Miami ran tons of DHOs to get uncontested 3s.

I don't think Lopez gave up a single three on a DHO in that series.

[-Jragon-]

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Nah he's still one of the better rim protectors in the game. Blaming Brook for any 3 point shots too is ridiculous.. that's coaching ignorance to believe that he's superman and be in 2 places at once. Bud knew that...

Bud let Brook give up 9- 3s to both Horford and Grant Williams.

In general, Bud kept Brook down low as much as possible.. you might be right based on a specific game plan for a given game or series. If so, Bud likely knew that shot would be there and preferred that instead of letting their main guys cook. That's where coaching preference comes in and that doesn't mean Brook was or is bad at defense -- which is ridiculous.

[-Jragon-]

The entire focus should be on dumping the overpriced vet that is a massive playoff liability. Brook needs to go, too bad Horst gave him that horrific contract.

Brook is a perennial DPOY candidate and costs a fraction of KM. That's clear to anyone that's objective and not a relative or close friend.

Brook has been in the top 10 in DPOY voting twice in 16 seasons. It's literally more accurate to say Middleton's a perennial all-star.

I agree with both.. KM was robbed some of those years our record wasn't very good.. he should have more

For Brook, if you check his shots contested vs blocked shots vs fouls -- it's extraordinary... record, voter fatigue or indifference -- but he made his point when he finished 2nd that year and finally got that recognition.

[ReasonablySober]

Here are all nine makes the Heat had against Brook.

[nagawicka]

I don't care about regular season awards. The Bucks defense against the Pacers in the playoffs was 20 points/100 better when Brook sat. He gets absolutely cooked in the playoffs by floor stretching centers, and every contender has one.

Also, he doesn't cost a fraction of Middleton, Brook was paid $25 million last year, and he was not in any conversation for DPOY last year.

Yea, he was bad against the Pacers last year. Everyone was.

vs other teams in the East:

Philly: +34.2
Boston +12.0
Miami +12.0
NYK: +9.0
Orlando +3.0
Cleveland -11.5

Unless we're getting another huge seven foot rim protector who also spaces the floor, we're not trading Brook.

Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.

Only insurmountable without an average POA defensive specialist. Needed to grab a Myles McBride type to counter the Trey Youngs, but did we. If your only rxn is to demand a different POA-worthy guy then be assured no one cares.

[raferfenix]

Jaden McDaniels

Middleton would be much more enticing to the Wolves post-KAT trade...

Not sure how we'd do it but Jaden McDaniels seems like he'd be a hell of a fit here.

Both teams are in the 2nd apron so someone would need to drop salary to get out of that first.

And of course depending on how you rank Khris this very well might be a non-starter to Minnesota.

[Dick Tate]

PSA: Please don't portray Pacers series stats as having any sort of meaning whatsoever. Especially defensively.

[benultimate]

So we shipped Pasecniks home and keeping Robbins on the 2 way?

[ShootingtheJ]

Here are all nine makes the Heat had against Brook.

There's more Duncan Robinson DHOs, while Brook is standing in the lane.

[ShootingtheJ]

PSA: Please don't portray Pacers series stats as having any sort of meaning whatsoever. Especially defensively.

Can you share why?

[ShootingtheJ]

Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.

Why? Bucks had the best Indiana defense in the playoffs when Brook was off the court, and that's despite Beasley playing heavy minutes, and maybe playing huge minutes.

Brook was also cooked from 3 by Boston and Brooklyn. Miami ran tons of DHOs to get uncontested 3s.

It'll never not be funny that you just keep ignoring that Bobby was the one that literally got yanked off the court and even DNP'd in those series cuz he was THAT bad. Like, no **** Brook has deficiencies trying to close out hard on 3PT shooters, but he was still the best option to throw out there and scapegoating him for the entire team's perimeter defense doesn't change that.

So it's OK that Brook got torched because someone else also wasn't good? No wonder how Horst can keep his job

Horford, Blake Griffin, Jeff Green , Grant Williams, and Myles Turner hit 3 after 3 while defended by Brook, but that's someone elses fault?

The Bucks defense was awesome versus the Pacers when Brook sat and Bobby (a suspect defender) played center, but that's not on Brook?

Slow centers get played off the floor in the playoffs every year, this isn't exclusive to the Bucks, and the problem isn't going away anytime soon.

[paulpressey25]

Maybe we can sign Daniel Theis to replace Brook. Oh wait.

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