Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[emunney]

Khris' body wasn't gonna hold up for 4 playoff rounds and I can't believe there are people out there who actually would keep burying their heads in the sand over it. Organization just should have found a better piece than Kyle **** Kuzma and the more and more games Golden State wins because of Jimmy's impact, the more it becomes obvious we should have just picked a direction instead of splitting the difference. Could have just grabbed a 2-3 years younger DeAndre Hunter for the same price.

Never wanted to trade Khris but Hunter is one of the players that I would've targeted if forced to do it.

That can't be the piece if you're trading Khris because he's never healthy.

[BigO]

Khris' body wasn't gonna hold up for 4 playoff rounds and I can't believe there are people out there who actually would keep burying their heads in the sand over it. Organization just should have found a better piece than Kyle **** Kuzma and the more and more games Golden State wins because of Jimmy's impact, the more it becomes obvious we should have just picked a direction instead of splitting the difference. Could have just grabbed a 2-3 years younger DeAndre Hunter for the same price.

I love Butler, even with his baggage, but please lay out what the Bucks could have offered the Heat that would have allowed the Bucks to get Butler at 49 million this year and 62 million for the next 2 years. Oh, and get under the second apron.

In addition, as it is, the Warriors shredded Wiggins and Kyle Anderson's salary for a total of around 35 million. Who was Miami going to take from the Bucks roster that totaled 35 million?

We see that no one wanted Middleton, so who on the Bucks would be equivalent to Wiggins?

[BigO]

Khris' body wasn't gonna hold up for 4 playoff rounds and I can't believe there are people out there who actually would keep burying their heads in the sand over it. Organization just should have found a better piece than Kyle **** Kuzma and the more and more games Golden State wins because of Jimmy's impact, the more it becomes obvious we should have just picked a direction instead of splitting the difference. Could have just grabbed a 2-3 years younger DeAndre Hunter for the same price.

Never wanted to trade Khris but Hunter is one of the players that I would've targeted if forced to do it.

Who would you have traded for Hunter? They weren't going to take Middleton.

[Ron Swanson]

The Wizards didn't "want" Khris either. They took him because we also gave them a couple assets.

[BigO]

The Wizards didn't "want" Khris either. They took him because we also gave them a couple assets.

That doesn't mean Miami, which is not on a rebuild, wanted Middleton. They obviously wanted a decent player and got him.

The Bucks not only didn't have that to offer, but even if they did, how do you get under the second apron by adding on salary that is higher than Giannis?

It's one thing for a poster to say the Bucks should have added Butler. It's another thing to come up with a way to do that.

For all we know, Milwaukee loved Butler.

I loved Kim Novak when I was very young. Never figured out a way to get it done.

[Ron Swanson]

We literally had to get underneath the 2nd apron to trade for Jimmy and it was widely discussed that the offer would have been some form of Khris, Bobby, Pat plus whatever assets. Half the board would have lamented it as an "overpay" but personally I would have thrown in AJ and the 2031 1st if that's what we had to get it done.

[Bernman]

The Wizards didn't "want" Khris either. They took him because we also gave them a couple assets.

Yes, but hard to say what the cost would have been from a team who wasn't tanking so he has negative value for, even aside from his contract. If he was adjudged to, for a winning team, instead of a 30+million guy, be a 15-20m player due to his recent playoff success, net ratings, & efficiency this season; they may have paid a premium for that, to at least not require assets attached.

If that's what was required, we could have, ya know, just kept Middleton, cuz he's more valuable to us than Kuzma as far as making a run in the playoffs. Plus we wouldn't have been compelled to give away a high upside player + 1st rd swap.

[mlloyd10]

Need Clarification - If we didn't do the Middleton trade, we could not have done the Porter Trade - Is that correct?

[Ron Swanson]

I'll say that I've been pretty consistent in my view that Jimmy was the only realistic mid-season move that I would have mortgaged any of our limited assets for, and you bet I feel 100% vindicated of that with the ensuing results. You guys are free to debate whether an "all in" trade package would have won us the sweepstakes, but you can connect the dots pretty easily.

That Miami went from wanting cap space/expiring contracts/assets to settling for a late 1st round pick in 2025 and bad salary extending into 2027 is pretty telling. That they just "loved Andrew Wiggins" is some real legendary PR spin if that's what anyone chooses to go with (he's been predictably awful for them). The much more likely scenario is that was the only offer they got with any sort of 1st round draft asset attached, and it's my strong opinion that we beat that pretty easily if Horst/ownership had the stones to.

[Bernman]

Need Clarification - If we didn't do the Middleton trade, we could not have done the Porter Trade - Is that correct?

They were unrelated. Different trades & KPJ had a lower salary.

The Sims trade was technically part of the Middleton deal, but it was just an exchange w/ the Knicks, which had the Bucks sending out more salary, so I don't know why it couldn't have been done separately too.

We could have put athletes like the aforementioned around the superior offensive operators like Giannis, Dame, even Khris. Heck, 1 of them is in KPJ is an offensive operator himself. W/ Kuz, I was interested in him more for Bobby, Pat, etc.; type deals. We've gotten the reclamation on his d & rebounding, but not offense. Heck, he hasn't even gotten near his mediocre career norms. He's been remarkably consistently in the 54's ts% wise up until this yr. We're getting 50's, w/ guys creating better shots for him.

[German Athens]

Need Clarification - If we didn't do the Middleton trade, we could not have done the Porter Trade - Is that correct?

We still could have done that trade, because we weren’t aggregating salaries and KPJ was making less than Marjon.

[ShootingtheJ]

Need Clarification - If we didn't do the Middleton trade, we could not have done the Porter Trade - Is that correct?

Not correct. Porter is on the veterans minimum, and Marjon made $2.7 million. We could do that deal at any time.

The Middleton trade made it possible to use cash in the Sims trade.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Wizards didn't "want" Khris either. They took him because we also gave them a couple assets.

That doesn't mean Miami, which is not on a rebuild, wanted Middleton. They obviously wanted a decent player and got him.

The Bucks not only didn't have that to offer, but even if they did, how do you get under the second apron by adding on salary that is higher than Giannis?

It's one thing for a poster to say the Bucks should have added Butler. It's another thing to come up with a way to do that.

For all we know, Milwaukee loved Butler.

I loved Kim Novak when I was very young. Never figured out a way to get it done.

I'm guessing the Portis suspension blew up any opportunity for Jimmy.

[ShootingtheJ]

It was probably annoying hearing about him all the time, but Delano Banton is better than Kuzma, and is on a veterans minimum contract. Get Banton and KPJ while keeping Middleton, and we're still contenders.

[German Athens]

This off-season is going to be wild if we don’t make a deep playoff run.

The org will need to clean house in management and coaching which, as we know well, doesn’t actually mean it would end up better. So, those “extensive searches” will have to conclude with very good hires.

We’ll probably have to move Dame and try to bring back a couple younger but worse players. The media would have a field day about us getting worse, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some shots fired through the media for departing coaches/players, etc.

And through that hellscape, we’ll win a title the next season.

[BigO]

The Wizards didn't "want" Khris either. They took him because we also gave them a couple assets.

That doesn't mean Miami, which is not on a rebuild, wanted Middleton. They obviously wanted a decent player and got him.

The Bucks not only didn't have that to offer, but even if they did, how do you get under the second apron by adding on salary that is higher than Giannis?

It's one thing for a poster to say the Bucks should have added Butler. It's another thing to come up with a way to do that.

For all we know, Milwaukee loved Butler.

I loved Kim Novak when I was very young. Never figured out a way to get it done.

I'm guessing the Portis suspension blew up any opportunity for Jimmy.

Trading Portis doesn't get you near what Wiggins plus the other guy the Warriors traded were making. And how does taking on a lot more salary (49, 62, 62 get you under the second apron?

[ReasonablySober]

At least he'll likely be back for the playoffs.

[Wonka]

And this is when we absolutely run Brook into the ground…

[MickeyDavis]

That sucks

[Bernman]

At least he'll likely be back for the playoffs.

Uh, oh. Bad timing. Bobby's not back for a while. Might want to use our hardship exemption now. In the meantime got to see more of those Giannis 5, Kuz 4 looks. That's a silver lining.

But what does Sims need his thumbs for? He doesn't shoot & can't catch as is. Just wrap it up, dunk lighter, & tap rebounds. Then move your feet on d.