ATL - Bane to Orlando for 4 FRP+

BUCKnation · Post #341 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:22 am

Was about to post that Ty Jerome has lost so much money this round, but he actually gave them some juice in this one.

Bernman · Post #342 » by **Bernman** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:24 am

emunney wrote:
Bernman wrote:Sabonis for Hali & Hield was a very bad trade by Sacto. Hali's a superior offensive operator to run your offense thru. Arguably the best of his generation. He's also less flawed than Sabonis as a defender, who's really sacrificing rim protection, & can't match up. As a bonus Indy got Hield.

I understand why Sacto did it. They had Fox. But even then they gave up the more impactful pg, who compelled a move a few yrs later anyway. And the return for Hali value-wise was questionable. Many liked it both ways at the time, but it hasn't aged well the way Hali's shined especially.

I don't remember many people liking it for Sacramento at the time, but maybe I just hated it enough for everybody.

Maybe that was after the fact it was viewed as mutually beneficial, when Sabonis was a sensation shortly after his move. But I don't remember Hali having a big rep at the time. He was "only" averaging 14 & 7. Partly suppressed by Fox, & just not as far along, while not having come out as a frosh.

Post #343 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:27 am

Kenny has no answers

rilamann · Post #344 » by **rilamann** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:28 am

Cavs look like some next level frauds. Holy **** put a fork in them.

Plossum · Post #345 » by **Plossum** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:31 am

rilamann wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
PintSizedBox10 wrote:So the Pacers are winning it all aren't they

I think it's more a Heat from 2023. Run into Milwaukee without Dame, Cleveland with Mitchell hurt, I'm guessing someone goes down in the NY series then they get killed in the Finals.

Just hoping it's not Denver again this time.

The Pacers have caught some breaks, but they have been good enough and consistent enough that you have to say they are legit.

I don't think they are a tier 1 juggernaut, but they are pretty damn good.

I still say the Bucks could have beat them if the Bucks had a competent coach that simply just played common sense lineups.

Preface: not stanning for Doc, but who is a better coach in this context? Kenny A is about to go down the same 4-1 we did. Did his rotations and coaching decisions blow it too?

Matches Malone · Post #346 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:36 am

Donovan bricking all three FT's... jeeez

MKE_Beers · Post #347 » by **MKE_Beers** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:37 am

He missed all 3 fts...... wow

Post #348 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:38 am

Plossum wrote:
rilamann wrote:
Profound23 wrote:

I think it's more a Heat from 2023. Run into Milwaukee without Dame, Cleveland with Mitchell hurt, I'm guessing someone goes down in the NY series then they get killed in the Finals.

Just hoping it's not Denver again this time.

The Pacers have caught some breaks, but they have been good enough and consistent enough that you have to say they are legit.

I don't think they are a tier 1 juggernaut, but they are pretty damn good.

I still say the Bucks could have beat them if the Bucks had a competent coach that simply just played common sense lineups.

Preface: not stanning for Doc, but who is a better coach in this context? Kenny A is about to go down the same 4-1 we did. Did his rotations and coaching decisions blow it too?

Yup. Many drool over Kenny. Home court advantage and will be 0-3 at home in this series. Can't slam Doc and give Kenny a pass.

Profound23 · Post #349 » by **Profound23** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:38 am

rilamann wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
PintSizedBox10 wrote:So the Pacers are winning it all aren't they

I think it's more a Heat from 2023. Run into Milwaukee without Dame, Cleveland with Mitchell hurt, I'm guessing someone goes down in the NY series then they get killed in the Finals.

Just hoping it's not Denver again this time.

The Pacers have caught some breaks, but they have been good enough and consistent enough that you have to say they are legit.

I don't think they are a tier 1 juggernaut, but they are pretty damn good.

I still say the Bucks could have beat them if the Bucks had a competent coach that simply just played common sense lineups.

For sure, just like 2023 Heat. But if they run into one team that stays healthy for the entire series and has an above average coach, Pacers lose that series pretty easily.

Post #350 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:40 am

Indiana is absolutely light years ahead of Milwaukee.

Bernman · Post #351 » by **Bernman** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:41 am

Plossum wrote:Preface: not stanning for Doc, but who is a better coach in this context? Kenny A is about to go down the same 4-1 we did. Did his rotations and coaching decisions blow it too?

Atkinson struggled like Bud. Made sensible decisions but took too long to break from them when they weren't working. Doc made senseless decisions literally nobody else would make. Prince at guard works against nobody, Kuz was struggling, & Brook's more of a dinosaur than the Cavs' bigs.

Literally every coach, including Atkinson, would have given us a much better chance to win by deploying a lineup that wasn't DOA.

Matches Malone · Post #352 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:41 am

Cavs could use a closer... If they don't want to run it back with Garland, they can send him to us, and we'll give them Dame and by playoff time he'll hopefully be ready

Ron Swanson · Post #353 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:42 am

We all get what you guys are doing here but Doc is still terrible and the outcome of this series doesn’t mean that Atkinson still isn’t a great coach. Just the same as Carlisle not winning a playoff series for an entire decade doesn’t make him a bad coach.

Post #354 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:43 am

Fire Kenny!

Profound23 · Post #355 » by **Profound23** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:44 am

I kind of wanted to see Haliburton's dad go on the court at the end

emunney · Post #356 » by **emunney** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:44 am

Late game Pacers are the "why don't they make the whole plane out of black boxes?" joke in the shape of a basketball team.

Bernman · Post #357 » by **Bernman** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:45 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Indiana is absolutely light years ahead of Milwaukee.

In a vacuum, doesn't Indiana downing the team w/ the best record in the east, in a similar way that they did us, make us look better? That's especially true if you consider we moderately out-played the Pacers w/ our preferred lineup over the insane one.

I'd feel like we were closer if we didn't also get swept by the top 3 in the east Indiana had joy against.

blazza18 · Post #358 » by **blazza18** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:45 am

Cavs starting guards were 12-50 in that one.

emunney · Post #359 » by **emunney** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:45 am

Ron Swanson wrote:We all get what you guys are doing here but Doc is still terrible and the outcome of this series doesn’t mean that Atkinson still isn’t a great coach. Just the same as Carlisle not winning a playoff series for an entire decade doesn’t make him a bad coach.

I see what you're trying to pull here, acting like whomever won most recently isn't immutably and forever the best

Post #360 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:46 am

Bernman wrote:
Plossum wrote:Preface: not stanning for Doc, but who is a better coach in this context? Kenny A is about to go down the same 4-1 we did. Did his rotations and coaching decisions blow it too?

Atkinson struggled like Bud. Made sensible decisions but took too long to break from them when they weren't working. Doc made senseless decisions literally nobody else would make. Prince at guard works against nobody, Kuz was struggling, & Brook's more of a dinosaur than the Cavs' bigs.

Literally every coach, including Atkinson, would have given us a much better chance to win by deploying a lineup that was DOA.

So you absolve Kenny. "Made sensible decisions". He was down 3-1, changed nothing and got bounced. With HCA. Awful coaching.