Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[soxperry]

Can’t we trade the ‘32 first soon? Once the season ends?

yes, but most likely only as a swap unless we for some reason kept or just swapped the 31 1st.

[BigO]

On the Jrue situation

1) His contract is really bad and we just made a horrible move to get Kuzma in order to get away from one more year of Middleton. Why take 3 more years of Jrue and hamstring any future moves?

2) Brad Stevens is a really good GM who makes very few bad moves. Why would you want to help him out of the one situation where he screwed up?

On Gary Trent:

1) I think he's a legit shooter and decent defender. I'd like him back.

[soxperry]

On the Jrue situation

1) His contract is really bad and we just made a horrible move to get Kuzma in order to get away from one more year of Middleton. Why take 3 more years of Jrue and hamstring any future moves?

2) Brad Stevens is a really good GM who makes very few bad moves. Why would you want to help him out of the one situation where he screwed up?

On Gary Trent:

1) I think he's a legit shooter and decent defender. I'd like him back.

Someone is going to "help" Brad Stevens. Im not sure if we should be the Jrue team but someone will trade for him in a way that makes sense for them. If theres a young team with a small payroll, i could see it.

[ShootingtheJ]

There's just almost no chance Giannis is fine with the Bucks punting on his age 31 and 32 season.

If he stays the Bucks are probably making deals for some depressed asset/ reclamation project type guys this off-season. No doubt something most of us here will hate.

We don't get to clean up the books and keep Giannis.

Or we could trade for a pre breakout player.

[ShootingtheJ]

We can all talk ourselves into the 2031 1st being this massively coveted asset considering the predicament we're in, but at the end of the day it's just that, a single unprotected pick 6-years out. Throw in the only salary you'd have to attach it to (Dame, Kuzma, Pat) and I just don't see any realistic way you're getting back some awesome core player.

Can Horst find our Dereck White acquisition? Probably not, but it would be possible for a good GM.

[buckboy]

i keep coming back to "none of this matters if Doc is still the coach".

I can't believe they're keeping him.

Gives me pretty much zero hope going forward.

[All The Bucks]

i keep coming back to "none of this matters if Doc is still the coach".

I can't believe they're keeping him.

Gives me pretty much zero hope going forward.

You don't waste a new coach on a punt year. 2025/26 is all about taking their cap lumps and readying their run at re-tooling with a new HC, new roster, and new system in '26/27

[Bernman]

i keep coming back to "none of this matters if Doc is still the coach".

I can't believe they're keeping him.

Gives me pretty much zero hope going forward.

You don't waste a new coach on a punt year. 2025/26 is all about taking their cap lumps and readying their run at re-tooling with a new HC, new roster, and new system in '26/27

If you have a flawed roster, it's all the more reason you need a good coach. We already know he's the opposite and arguably most of us could do better for free by simply playing a semi-logical lineup.

It's also not necessarily a punt yr if Doc's gone. Several guys had double-digit net ratings w/ Giannis. But none started. You shouldn't be selling a punt yr to Giannis cuz that may be what ultimately compels a departure. I assume they're not & why he's happy ATM. Keep it that way. Fire Doc!

[Profound23]

Yep, there are going to be growing pains with new coach. The East is wide open next year. Fire Doc now. This is pathetic!

[CharityStripe34]

Would love to keep Trent but that's going to be hard. Dude is a gamer and legit flamethrower. Yea he gambles on defense but he's at least feisty. The one post season where Giannis had two legit awesome shooters who didn't pee themselves and they only started or played major minutes when the idiot coach finally realized it might be a good idea to surround today's Shaq with shooting.

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[BigO]

On the Jrue situation

1) His contract is really bad and we just made a horrible move to get Kuzma in order to get away from one more year of Middleton. Why take 3 more years of Jrue and hamstring any future moves?

2) Brad Stevens is a really good GM who makes very few bad moves. Why would you want to help him out of the one situation where he screwed up?

On Gary Trent:

1) I think he's a legit shooter and decent defender. I'd like him back.

Someone is going to "help" Brad Stevens. Im not sure if we should be the Jrue team but someone will trade for him in a way that makes sense for them. If theres a young team with a small payroll, i could see it.

To the extent there are bad GMs, you are probbly right that someone is going to help out and take Jrue. But everyone knows he had a bad year and has a contract that is really bad. ther can't be that many takers.

[All The Bucks]

I'm just telling you guys how it's going to be, you don't have to like it

[BigO]

We can all talk ourselves into the 2031 1st being this massively coveted asset considering the predicament we're in, but at the end of the day it's just that, a single unprotected pick 6-years out. Throw in the only salary you'd have to attach it to (Dame, Kuzma, Pat) and I just don't see any realistic way you're getting back some awesome core player.

Can Horst find our Dereck White acquisition? Probably not, but it would be possible for a good GM.

That move separates the really good talent evaluators vs. those who trade for Kyle Kuzma.

To be fair, Horst did have two good signings-Lopez and Portis. Was it luck? I really don't know.

[soxperry]

On the Jrue situation

1) His contract is really bad and we just made a horrible move to get Kuzma in order to get away from one more year of Middleton. Why take 3 more years of Jrue and hamstring any future moves?

2) Brad Stevens is a really good GM who makes very few bad moves. Why would you want to help him out of the one situation where he screwed up?

On Gary Trent:

1) I think he's a legit shooter and decent defender. I'd like him back.

Someone is going to "help" Brad Stevens. Im not sure if we should be the Jrue team but someone will trade for him in a way that makes sense for them. If theres a young team with a small payroll, i could see it.

To the extent there are bad GMs, you are probbly right that someone is going to help out and take Jrue. But everyone knows he had a bad year and has a contract that is really bad. ther can't be that many takers.

You're completely skipping over the possibility that a team wants to do it to get something besides Jrue out of it. You said dont "help" Brad Stevens. I'm saying I wouldn't be opposed to doing it at the right price. There's always a price. So if Jrue has to go, and he probably does, they will have to keep sweetening the pot until someone bites.

If you look at what it took to move Khris.. Khris had 1.5 years left on his deal for basically the same yearly amount by percentage of cap. Khris was probably seen as completely worthless in terms of playoff use, so just a dead weight contract.

We had to take on Kuzma and we gave up a late 1st round pick in a very bad draft.

Jrue is definitely more playoff useful but his contract is a lot longer. So now i think i understand why we had to take Kuzma. No one is taking Jrue and a late 1st for an expiring. Boston would need to send two 1sts. But that's crazy to send two firsts just for salary. So you have to take something less **** back to offset.

but i just cooked something up that makes too much sense..

[ShootingtheJ]

i keep coming back to "none of this matters if Doc is still the coach".

I can't believe they're keeping him.

Gives me pretty much zero hope going forward.

You don't waste a new coach on a punt year. 2025/26 is all about taking their cap lumps and readying their run at re-tooling with a new HC, new roster, and new system in '26/27

There are no cap lumps, and now is a perfect time to hire a new coach.

[soxperry]

Celtics Receive:

Rui Hachimura
Gabe Vincent

Lakers Receive:

Jrue Holiday
1st round Pick

Rui and Gabe are both 1 year deals, so Boston is rid of the Holiday contract. Lakers get a glue guy who doesn't need to score for them and an asset to aid the on the fly rebuild around Luka.

They could then turn around, if they wanted, and trade DFS and Kleber for Porzingis, while trading Reaves for assets with which to round out their roster around

Luka
Jrue
Lebron
Vanderbilt
Porzingis

So they get their win now roster, fragile as it may be, and they actually gain instead of spend.

[Baddy Chuck]

I don't know why people think it's a given Trent is back. I'm assuming he's gone unless we fork over the full MLE or he's just feeling charitable and signs the handshake 1+1 deal now with the 4-yr, $50 million extension on the table next year. How do we feel about Ty Jerome on the MLE? Cleveland will be another tax team that likely won't be able to re-sign any of their key bench guys.

I honestly don't think any of our free agents coming back is a given. Bobby, GTJ, less so on KPJ, Rollins, Sims, Brook. Could all see them finding contracts that price us out.

[Profound23]

Would love to keep Trent but that's going to be hard. Dude is a gamer and legit flamethrower. Yea he gambles on defense but he's at least feisty. The one post season where Giannis had two legit awesome shooters who didn't pee themselves and they only started or played major minutes when the idiot coach finally realized it might be a good idea to surround today's Shaq with shooting.

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Horst and Co. aren't perfect but they found Beasley last year and Trent Jr. this year. Not to mention KPJ. I trust them to at least find one diamond in the rough.

The problem is you need luck, health, and for even the Prince contracts to work out ..and it didn't.

[Coach Carter]

Knowing Horst, he'd be looking to trade our 1st in 31. If it means keeping Giannis, I'm all for it.

I think we're underrating the possibility of Horst scouring the league to see if we could bring back a piece with this pick that'd get Giannis to buy in.

Yes saving 2031 and the 2032 swap to trade in a bigger bundle of picks next offseason could be the move for any number of reasons -- the least of which being that Giannis can sign an extension in tandem.

But even then it's not like this would be the first time the Bucks made a bad move at Giannis' behest either!

Horst traded the farm for Jrue before Giannis was locked in for that matter.

If Horst trades it again, the lesson at least needs to be to acquire someone young enough that could play w/ Giannis more than a couple yrs, & actually has re-trade value. Last 2 times he got old, and older.

He most likely trades dame for beal

[MickeyDavis]

Would love to keep Trent but that's going to be hard. Dude is a gamer and legit flamethrower. Yea he gambles on defense but he's at least feisty. The one post season where Giannis had two legit awesome shooters who didn't pee themselves and they only started or played major minutes when the idiot coach finally realized it might be a good idea to surround today's Shaq with shooting.

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Horst and Co. aren't perfect but they found Beasley last year and Trent Jr. this year. Not to mention KPJ. I trust them to at least find one diamond in the rough.

The problem is you need luck, health, and for even the Prince contracts to work out ..and it didn't.

That's the one thing Horst is very good at.