Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[Coach Carter]

The media is pissed, that:
a) we kept giannis
b) we stayed more than relevant

[BigO]

A bunch of players just resigned cheap to play for Doc. I think we need to table the fire Doc stuff until the season starts.

Don't worry, he'll give you more reasons to call for his firing. I know, because all coaches do.

NO. Keep up the fire Doc stuff, if just to reassure me that there are sane people on this board.

AND:

1) The players didn't sign here because of Doc.
2) And if they did, they're idiots also.

If basketball history tells us anything, it's that what players think of their coach has no relationship to whether the coach is good.

Keep up the anti-Doc stuff, led by PREZ. We just had a coach who started two of the worst players on the roster during the playoffs, when it was clear to a potted plant that they were bad.

[ReginaldDwight]

I saw some weird arguments that the shoes are too cushy now and players of old had barely padding and never had Achillies tears. I attribute it to the speed of the game.. these sprinting ass teams and the teams trying to chase them around full blast is a lot of pressure suddenly on some tendons and joints in our bodies with the cuts or contact with other players. The 50s and 60s players were trotting around comparably. If teams are going to keep trending towards sprinting full games long these bad injuries will keep happening.

They played a pretty fast pace in other eras too. Always wonder if the sitting on the bench then coming in has something to do with it. If I had to guess it likely has to do with just the amount of games these guys usually play by the time they hit the NBA.

[GoldenAntlers]

I swear to God if Prince & Kuzma are both starters...

Doc lineup:

PG - Gary Harris
SG - TP
SF - Kuz
PF - Giannis
C - Turner

Doc will call it veteran leadership

Remember midway through the season when Doc admitted that Prince starting at the 2 made zero sense, but they were going to stick with it anyway?

I wonder how much of that was a contract agreement. Like how much of who plays is truly in the coaches hands? Are certain players required to get X many minutes a game based on their contracts?

[Matches Malone]

Jim O on Bluesky:

Coming up for air from all the #Bucks moves.

Initial national thoughts I have seen:

* East is wide open but still not for Milwaukee.

* Giannis Antetokounmpo will still want out - but maybe at the deadline instead.

* Bucks not loyal / did Damian Lillard dirty but Lillard is “elated” with outcome

I do think it's interesting there's reports Dame is elated with the outcome. He never really took to Milwaukee. I certainly won't miss the on-court pouting.

[Coach Carter]

Any news on Green?

[BroncoBuck]

People are mad at you but so many things would be different if Horst drafted better or didn’t overpay guys or give away a thousand picks. Injuries suck but Horst put the franchise in the hole we’re currently in.

Edit. I even forgot botching two coaching hires.

Giannis hired Griff

You can make all the excuses in the world for Doc but Griff was still 30-13.

Yes, Griff ran the legs off our old ass team in a bunch of wire to wire games against the dredges of the NBA. One of the worst NBA coaches of the decade.

[MickeyDavis]

I swear to God if Prince & Kuzma are both starters...

Doc lineup:

PG - Gary Harris
SG - TP
SF - Kuz
PF - Giannis
C - Turner

Doc will call it veteran leadership

Remember midway through the season when Doc admitted that Prince starting at the 2 made zero sense, but they were going to stick with it anyway?

I wonder how much of that was a contract agreement. Like how much of who plays is truly in the coaches hands? Are certain players required to get X many minutes a game based on their contracts?

Doc talked about wanting consistency in the starting lineup. One reason Khris was moved to the bench, you never knew when he was going to be available. I get that to a point. The regular season is a long meaningless slog. But the playoffs are another story. Waiting until game 5 to make adjustments that were obvious is inexcusable.

[-Jragon-]

The media is pissed, that:
a) we kept giannis
b) we stayed more than relevant

Right, Turner was the best FA available by far.. didn't fit their narrative for us to not have to be forced into a gap year and disgruntled Giannis

[PG Graveyard]

Jim O on Bluesky:

Coming up for air from all the #Bucks moves.

Initial national thoughts I have seen:

* East is wide open but still not for Milwaukee.

* Giannis Antetokounmpo will still want out - but maybe at the deadline instead.

* Bucks not loyal / did Damian Lillard dirty but Lillard is “elated” with outcome

I do think it's interesting there's reports Dame is elated with the outcome. He never really took to Milwaukee. I certainly won't miss the on-court pouting.

He absolutely killed is at times not getting back on defense. He had his moments but overall he is an extremely overrated player. I still think our team is better off with Jrue than him. Seems like a great human being but I don’t believe he’s a leader or anything like that. Certainly didn’t help that he went to Milwaukee and the refs took away his grift move

[smuckersbrah]

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[blazza18]

I would also be elated at being able to keep $120 million after being let go. I doubt Dame was ever fully happy in Milwaukee because of the circumstances but he never came across as a dick to me. Sucks it didn't work out and that he got injured.

[tedbrogen]

I think it'll be tough to get Wiggins for just Kuzma and Micic and I don't think a pick swap for next season will do the trick either. The rationales for why I think the Heat could do it are if everything they're saying about Ware is largely a smokescreen and they plan on Bam at the 5 being their primary lineup then Kuzma has more value to them than I think he does now. The other is that Kuzma is signed through 2 more seasons while Wiggins has a player option next summer which I would guess he opts out of because even though I doubt he gets 30 per year, which is what he'd be scheduled to make in the last year of his contract, he can probably still get a substantial multi-year contract which may not be the case in 27. I don't know if that's an advantage or disadvantage for the Heat.

My guess is Kuzma is on the team to start next season and the Bucks move him at the deadline to a team that is falling short of expectations and ends up being sellers at the trade deadline.

You don’t have to pair another player with Kuz to trade him for Wiggins. You can save Miami $5M+ in salary this season and send them $7M+ in cash. Their owner is cheap. They might do Kuz/Cash/26swap for Wiggins

I will readily acknowledge that I am the furthest thing from a cap expert so I'm very open to you being right and me being wrong. But based on everything I've read about how, generally, restrictive this system is it seems like the Bucks being able to take back 130% in salary by just cutting a check would not be allowed.

Ignore the cash as part of the trade, that is sweetener like a pick, it doesn’t factor into salary matching. Kuz has unlikely incentives that increase his cap hit enough that you can trade him and be within 125% of Wiggins cap hit. So you can do it straight up. The cash is to talk Miami’s cheap owner into doing it because he’s pocketing that cash.

If you don’t believe me, run it through the Sportrac trade checker.

[-Jragon-]

Jim O on Bluesky:

Coming up for air from all the #Bucks moves.

Initial national thoughts I have seen:

* East is wide open but still not for Milwaukee.

* Giannis Antetokounmpo will still want out - but maybe at the deadline instead.

* Bucks not loyal / did Damian Lillard dirty but Lillard is “elated” with outcome

I do think it's interesting there's reports Dame is elated with the outcome. He never really took to Milwaukee. I certainly won't miss the on-court pouting.

It opens up a lot of freedom for Dame! Yeah being a Buck would be fun for us fans but imagine all the mandatory bs he was going to have to go do all year with the team monitoring his progress and basically owning his recovery. Dude's still getting his 100+ Million, can recover wherever the F... he wants and sit back and hand pick his team when he wants to return and get himself in the best situation (maybe with players who don't demand the ball from him). Great day for him... even if Milwaukee grew on him, having his freedom and life on his terms for a year while we pay him is fantastic for him. Work on his music, family, etc

[tedbrogen]

I would also be elated at being able to keep $120 million after being let go. I doubt Dame was ever fully happy in Milwaukee because of the circumstances but he never came across as a dick to me. Sucks it didn't work out and that he got injured.

Now he can fully rehab near his kids and then sign with whoever looks like a contender before the playoffs if he’s healthy, if not he can do so in the offseason. We know this ends with him in a Heat jersey. He still gets his money.

[Licensed to Il]

I saw some weird arguments that the shoes are too cushy now and players of old had barely padding and never had Achillies tears. I attribute it to the speed of the game.. these sprinting ass teams and the teams trying to chase them around full blast is a lot of pressure suddenly on some tendons and joints in our bodies with the cuts or contact with other players. The 50s and 60s players were trotting around comparably. If teams are going to keep trending towards sprinting full games long these bad injuries will keep happening.

I don’t think there is a lot of merit to the take that players in the 60s didn’t get hurt because they didn’t run.

I also think shoe design, for the most part, is better than it has ever been.

I do think there is possibly something to the increased pace and speed, though that might be washed out by increases in training and conditioning.

One theory is players are taking enhancing drugs which push performance but also push muscles and joints beyond what they can support. Im not sure I buy it, Dame and Haliburton were not exactly muscled up speed freaks.

Whatever it is, I hope they can figure it out and combat the problem. It sucks for an athlete and a fanbase to miss out on a whole year of contention.

[ShootingtheJ]

Jim O on Bluesky:

Coming up for air from all the #Bucks moves.

Initial national thoughts I have seen:

* East is wide open but still not for Milwaukee.

* Giannis Antetokounmpo will still want out - but maybe at the deadline instead.

* Bucks not loyal / did Damian Lillard dirty but Lillard is “elated” with outcome

I do think it's interesting there's reports Dame is elated with the outcome. He never really took to Milwaukee. I certainly won't miss the on-court pouting.

He absolutely killed is at times not getting back on defense. He had his moments but overall he is an extremely overrated player. I still think our team is better off with Jrue than him. Seems like a great human being but I don’t believe he’s a leader or anything like that. Certainly didn’t help that he went to Milwaukee and the refs took away his grift move

Most importantly, our team is better with KPJ than Dame. Dame is the most selfish Buck since Monta. I'm so relieved that the clown who refused to throw lobs to Giannis has been cut

[PG Graveyard]

Horst has to be cooking up something else. We at least need one more player that can dribble. I think he’s aiming larger though.

[tedbrogen]

I’m super excited to have a starting center that doesn’t have to stand 35 feet from the hoop on offense for fear that he can’t get back on defense.

[M-C-G]

something about stretching Dame and essentially paying Myles Turner $50 million a year to upgrade from Brook seems off.

You are assuming it was ONLY done because of Turner. Plan may very well have been to waive Dame either way given Horst comment about moving money. I think what this tells me is that Giannis wasn’t having the ‘gap year’ that fans expected. From that context netting Turner is a win. There is an alternate Horstiverse where we extended Brook, Bobby, Sims, KPJ, GTJ and Prince and ran it back with Dame soaking up 50M to rehab before opting out to go wherever he wanted to.