Sessions Update:Ramon signs T-Wolves OS (page 310 update)

[ReasonablySober]

I find it fascinating that nobody is willing to give Sessions the MLE.

[Ayt]

It's amazing how everyone thinks we are dogging Ramon.

Lest you forget the recent history of RFA's.

I will cite Anderson Varejao as a perfect example.

Lots of bad blood during negotiations and whatnot, he still came back and was a very productive player for them.

We are not doing anything that another team hasn't already done before in regards to RFA negotiations. Look at the Knicks with David Lee and Nate Robinson. Everyone needs to chillax. We are not treating Ramon like dirt, we are just trying to get best value by not overpaying.

True. This is par for the course with RFA's.

[BDUB_30]

Who the **** is Pablo Prigioni?

WOW !



Led the Euroleauge and ACB in apg ....



Basicaly who is Pablo Prigioni ? just another guy better then ramon who can be had for far cheaper . I beleive he is a 3pt threat as well , unlike ramon .. Which fits in MUCH better with the knicks .. Ramons 18% would be horrific on that squad .

[BDUB_30]

I find it fascinating that nobody is willing to give Sessions the MLE.

I dont ...im not suprised at all . Everything that is happening now i said would happen even before the trade deadline .


Guys that are as talented as some say they are , get offers .. Especialy on teams with crappy guards like Duhon and a beatdown Baron davis .. Instead , these teams are exploring other options , trust me , its not because Ramon is a Great PG .

[stevescheffler06]

Who the **** is Pablo Prigioni?

WOW !



Led the Euroleauge and ACB in apg ....



Basicaly who is Pablo Prigioni ? just another guy better then ramon who can be had for far cheaper . I beleive he is a 3pt threat as well , unlike ramon .. Which fits in MUCH better with the knicks .. Ramons 18% would be horrific on that squad .

Shades of Barry Badrinath
He sounds good. They should sign him.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

i wonder if every team in the league loses interst in ramon, including us..... if the ramon supporters will continue to barrage the board with how badly we need him , or how badly we must get compensation instead of losing him for nothing...

sessions is a scrappy pg who has overachieved in his nba career. i dont think his ceiling is as far away as we think considering hes about to get paid, our management could care less about him, and we got brandon jennings standing out in front for our future.

ramon sessions in a bucks uniform is a charlie bell/ dan gadzuric kind of milwaukee mistake waiting to happen all over again.

[Cold Crush 24]

It's amazing how everyone thinks we are dogging Ramon.

Lest you forget the recent history of RFA's.

I will cite Anderson Varejao as a perfect example.

Lots of bad blood during negotiations and whatnot, he still came back and was a very productive player for them.

We are not doing anything that another team hasn't already done before in regards to RFA negotiations. Look at the Knicks with David Lee and Nate Robinson. Everyone needs to chillax. We are not treating Ramon like dirt, we are just trying to get best value by not overpaying.

Dont forget Charlie Bell. Although he wasnt the hottest commodity, Ramon doesnt seem to be at this point either. Bell begged us not to match. He no longer wanted to be a Buck because he thought we were jerking him around. Thats just how these things go.

I hope we bring Ramon back and let him and Jennings duke it out all year. Jennings looks great but there have been a lot of other players that looked good but didnt pan out. If both look like starting calibur PGs at the end of the year, we deal the lesser. But if anyone would have suggested dealing or not locking up Ramon after the flashes of brilliance last year they would have been nuts. Sign him, see what Jennings has, then decide which way to go.

What we are doing now is letting the market dictate his value. It clearly is not as high as his agent thinks it is. And with Hammond at the helm, who clearly likes 'em either cheap or tradeable, we shouldn't have to worry about what to do with too much talent at one spot.

[Ayt]

Pablo Prigioni didn't lead the ACB and Euroleague in assists.

[BDUB_30]

Im actually bummed out nobody is stepping up an offer .. I was kind of hoping we could move forward and get rid of these larry harris box score stuffers and bring in some players who just go out and hoop without catering to their personal stats . I wouldnt be entirely against a 3 for 10 deal , but anything more for ramon is brutal .. Hes simply not as desirable on this roster with the addition of Jennings .


At the end of the day , people far often think about contracts and price tags and lose sight of how talent fits in on the roster . With the addition of BJ and Meeks .. Ramons viability as it relates to the bucks is greatly decreased . We used ramon ALOT at the 2spot last year , i would honestly rather use meeks .. Now that weve grabbed a talented pg in the draft , id rather give him the burn .. So how does Ramon ultimatly fit with the bucks ? If youre willing to look past the dollars for just a split second and get back to viewing a roster and the components that make it what it is , you can see Ramon simply just doesnt fit well here anymore . ESPECIALLY when you get into talking about mle money , we can find better prospects in the 2nd rd , and we can all see that now .

[WEFFPIM]

Pablo Prigioni didn't lead the ACB and Euroleague in assists.

Semantics really.

[carmelbrownqueen]

I find it fascinating that nobody is willing to give Sessions the MLE.

I'm not sure many of the teams in the league (with or without the cap space) value Sessions at the MLE level.. he's a nice player but he definitely isn't a guy yet that you break the bank to sign at this point in his career. I still firmly believe his value is somewhere around the 3/$9 (at the lowest), 3/$12 or 4/$16 level. I'm not really willing to give him more money than that... and it looks like a number of teams agree at this point. Perhaps LAC will sign him to a MLE deal.. but until they do it, I'm not going to believe anyone but the Bucks fans value him at that level.

[Cold Crush 24]

i wonder if every team in the league loses interst in ramon, including us..... if the ramon supporters will continue to barrage the board with how badly we need him , or how badly we must get compensation instead of losing him for nothing...

sessions is a scrappy pg who has overachieved in his nba career. i dont think his ceiling is as far away as we think considering hes about to get paid, our management could care less about him, and we got brandon jennings standing out in front for our future.

ramon sessions in a bucks uniform is a charlie bell/ dan gadzuric kind of milwaukee mistake waiting to happen all over again.

I doubt Hammond makes the mistake of overpaying him the way Gadzuretard was over paid. This is a totally different GM.

[Max Green]

I find it fascinating that nobody is willing to give Sessions the MLE.

A lot of teams are not sold on him from such a small sample of games he has played.

[BDUB_30]

i wonder if every team in the league loses interst in ramon, including us..... if the ramon supporters will continue to barrage the board with how badly we need him , or how badly we must get compensation instead of losing him for nothing...

sessions is a scrappy pg who has overachieved in his nba career. i dont think his ceiling is as far away as we think considering hes about to get paid, our management could care less about him, and we got brandon jennings standing out in front for our future.

ramon sessions in a bucks uniform is a charlie bell/ dan gadzuric kind of milwaukee mistake waiting to happen all over again.

Great post .


If ramon didnt get an offer from any nba team and the bucks didnt even bring him back at the QO , someone out their would still have on Ramon Session pantys and still argue that the entire nba knows less about the game then they do .....and thats their right , but at the end of the day the writing is on the wall for Ramon .


he should of kissed ass and ran the offense instead of plodding the dribble all day and night trying to figure out a way to increase his assist totals .. he should of went over the screans and not under .. he should of put his body on his man defensivly .. he should of figured out a way to hit the 16 footer with consitancy ... Because he decided to not do any of them things , nba teams who were intially impressed by the box score numbers took a closer look , watched the game film , and seen the illusion that is Ramon Sessions . Its unfortunate alot of the best bucks fans in the world arent willing to do the same thing .. but it is what it is ..

[Max Green]

I'm not as sold on some here on Ramon, as I have said before...

I think he could be anywhere from a decent back-up for his career up to a top 15 point guard because of his talent... I just don't think that there has been a large enough sample size that you can pencil him in as a lock for being a good starting point guard.

But I agree that calling him "crappy" is certainly a ridiculous statement.

+1

[InsideOut]

I think the salary cap a year or two from now is scaring teams to death. I wonder if Hammond/Skiles even want Sessions? Maybe the plan was to have another team offer him the full MLE and then they could let him go and not have to deal with the situation. I mean let's say they love BJ and Skiles wants the vet Ridnour to stay. They could be thinking they have no need for Sessions but realize it would be a publicity nightmare to just let him walk. Now they might be scratching their heads wondering what to do with Sessions when they don't want him and everyone else is afraid to spend.

[buckaroo]

Latest from Newsday:

Meanwhile, on the other front, it appears that Ramon Sessions' agent, Jim Wells, had higher expectations in Walsh this week after he said he was awaiting a multi-year offer sheet from the Knicks for the mid-level. Clearly all of the unsigned players -- and their agents -- are getting antsy as August approaches after next week.

Here's what we know at this point: Sessions doesn't have as many options as originally believed. The Clippers were there for a bit but then acquired Sebastian Telfair in a four-player deal with Minnesota. There was talk that Mike Dunleavy was already trying to move Telfair right after the trade, but if there has been any real talk about the Clips acquiring a combo guard, Allen Iverson is the strongest candidate. Donald Sterling is apparently in lo ve with the idea of adding AI for a cheap fare and Dunleavy sure wouldn't mind having someone to use against Baron Davis in his rotation. Davis and Dunleavy have zero relationship, I hear.

Getting back to the Knicks...once again, Walsh is biding his time with Sessions, who would be an absolutely perfect fit for Mike D'Antoni and what the Knicks are building with youth and athleticism. It sounds like internally there has been a major push to get Sessions, but Walsh is reluctant to give up the precious 2010 cap space.

Perhaps Sessions, who made $711K last season, doesn't need the full mid-level if no one else is offering it. Exactly who are the Knicks negotiating against?

The Andre Miller scenario also remains an easy short-term solution to an upgrade at the PG spot. It doesn't really solve anything going forward because you'll still need a PG in 2010, but Miller is smart and a solid floor general. With this summer as a bad taste in his mouth, you aslo hope he goes into the season with some motivation toward another shot at free agency.

Jamaal Tinsley will clear waivers -- no doubt about it -- and become a free agent that Walsh will consider, I'm told, in meetings with the coaches and scouting staff. He could be had at a very cheap price. Consider that a final option scenario.

[BDUB_30]

I think the salary cap a year or two from now is scaring teams to death. I wonder if Hammond/Skiles even want Sessions? Maybe the plan was to have another team offer him the full MLE and then they could let him go and not have to deal with the situation. I mean let's say they love BJ and Skiles wants the vet Ridnour to stay. They could be thinking they have no need for Sessions but realize it would be a publicity nightmare to just let him walk. Now they might be scratching their heads wondering what to do with Sessions when they don't want him and everyone else is afraid to spend.

That is exactaly what i think is going on and thats why i just posted that im kind of bummed nobody is stepping up an offer . I would bet hammond is bummed as well because hes hoping a high offer comes in so he can justify to the public not matching .

The really messed up part will be if someone comes in at like 3/10 or 4/12 and hammond STILL doesnt match ...Im not sure he will even match at 4/12 and all the rumors of him matching are just trying to gain leverage for a S&T .


Now that were all finally getting past the vacum of thought a few posters really want us to remain in , you can kind of see that if we were able to use Ramon to dump gadzuric on to the clippers , it would be a dream come true ... but i know thats a pipe dream . Ramon simply isnt worth taking on Dan Gadzurics contract .


Just think , a week ago ..we had a thread with people upset that the bucks wouldnt match a full mle deal ...I mean its pure insanity to even suggest it ....

[carmelbrownqueen]

Food for thought....

There are a number of teams who want PG help but don't want to pay midlevel money to get it. What would many of you think if Jamaal Tinsley was signed to a contract before Ramon Sessions?

[europa]

It's not surprising the market has contracted on Sessions when you consider he's a RFA, this year's draft was loaded with PGs and few teams had money to spend and only one of the teams that did needed a PG and they want a veteran.

The stars really aligned almost perfectly for the Bucks with regard to Sessions becoming a FA. Now they have to capitalize on this. I still think now's the time for Hammond to move in and try and get a deal done.