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flaco wrote:Hard pass on Jabari. He cannot play D to save his life. He'd be completely unplayable come playoff time. The Bucks are legit contenders. We should be building for the playoffs.
FrieAaron wrote:flaco wrote:Hard pass on Jabari. He cannot play D to save his life. He'd be completely unplayable come playoff time. The Bucks are legit contenders. We should be building for the playoffs.
We've heard this about a few people who ended up being decent contributors for us now. Jabari never got an opportunity to play under Bud, who seems to usually be able to get the best out of people. Not like there's a lot of risk to it.
skones wrote:MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:skones wrote:
First things first, you HAVE to carry 14 players on a roster. Georgios made 14. You cannot leave that roster spot open. He was the cheapest possible player to fill that 14th spot based on salary scale. Yes, UDFA are more expensive. So I believe that covers your first two paragraphs.
That would make sense.....if Georgios was on our roster. He isn't. They paid $800k to have him come here for 2 months. THEN they signed a FA. If they were being cheap they would've 1. Drafted someone better and 2. Kept them the whole year. If it was about money, he would still be here, right? (ETA: and then they also would not have traded for Allen)
IDK why they drafted him but purposely drafting someone who as you said was on no ones radar, pay 1/3 million to get him out of a contract and then cut him only to sign a FA to fill the 14th spot does not make any sense to me? Is it fishy and stupid? Probably. But I don't get how the Georgios experience saved us money?
No. It STILL makes sense. You have to carry 14 players on a roster. You don't think their hand was forced by injury and Covid to look for solutions? Read the tea leaves. Even IF the plan was to eventually move on from Georgios from the start, they are STILL being cheap because pro-ration is a thing. They didn't "pay 800k" to have him come here for two months. His salary was 440k for the year AND he was only partially guaranteed.
If you pay 25% of the cheapest possible deal and then pay 75% of a league minimum, that is cheaper than paying 100% of a league minimum. This is basic math here man.
NONE of this changes the fact that the Bucks legitimately tried to get away with having the smallest salary slot possible on their roster for the 21-22 campaign. Again, that's not speculation. It happened no matter how much you try to skirt around that fact. Let me be plain, again, for the third time. ONE IS NOT PURE SPECULATION, THE OTHER IS. THAT IS THE POINT.
FrieAaron wrote:flaco wrote:Hard pass on Jabari. He cannot play D to save his life. He'd be completely unplayable come playoff time. The Bucks are legit contenders. We should be building for the playoffs.
We've heard this about a few people who ended up being decent contributors for us now. Jabari never got an opportunity to play under Bud, who seems to usually be able to get the best out of people. Not like there's a lot of risk to it.
flaco wrote:FrieAaron wrote:flaco wrote:Hard pass on Jabari. He cannot play D to save his life. He'd be completely unplayable come playoff time. The Bucks are legit contenders. We should be building for the playoffs.
We've heard this about a few people who ended up being decent contributors for us now. Jabari never got an opportunity to play under Bud, who seems to usually be able to get the best out of people. Not like there's a lot of risk to it.
Such as? For insrance, Forbes was great during the regular season, yet he became unplayable in the Finals because of his defense. We were playing Teague ahead of him who's now out of the league even with all the emergency 10-day contracts! Boogie was decent, but we both know he wouldn't have been part of the rotation come playoff time. On the contrary, Matthews may very well be part of the the rotation cause he's a 2-way player.
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FrieAaron wrote:flaco wrote:FrieAaron wrote:
We've heard this about a few people who ended up being decent contributors for us now. Jabari never got an opportunity to play under Bud, who seems to usually be able to get the best out of people. Not like there's a lot of risk to it.
Such as? For insrance, Forbes was great during the regular season, yet he became unplayable in the Finals because of his defense. We were playing Teague ahead of him who's now out of the league even with all the emergency 10-day contracts! Boogie was decent, but we both know he wouldn't have been part of the rotation come playoff time. On the contrary, Matthews may very well be part of the the rotation cause he's a 2-way player.
Forbes was big against Miami and that's good enough for me. Both Portis and Lopez both way outperformed expectations if you go back and look at those reactions again. Pat did twice. Like I said, Bud and this staff has a tendency to get the best out of players. I'm not clamoring for Jabari or anything, but it'd be interesting to see how he responded.
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
You really going to act like Boogie doesn't have a history of causing issues?
I like Jabari and would be happy to see him on the team. I dont believe he would add much though. He needed a coach like Bud and a situation like the current Bucks when he was drafted.FrieAaron wrote:flaco wrote:Hard pass on Jabari. He cannot play D to save his life. He'd be completely unplayable come playoff time. The Bucks are legit contenders. We should be building for the playoffs.
We've heard this about a few people who ended up being decent contributors for us now. Jabari never got an opportunity to play under Bud, who seems to usually be able to get the best out of people. Not like there's a lot of risk to it.
DrWood wrote:FrieAaron wrote:flaco wrote:Such as? For insrance, Forbes was great during the regular season, yet he became unplayable in the Finals because of his defense. We were playing Teague ahead of him who's now out of the league even with all the emergency 10-day contracts! Boogie was decent, but we both know he wouldn't have been part of the rotation come playoff time. On the contrary, Matthews may very well be part of the the rotation cause he's a 2-way player.
Forbes was big against Miami and that's good enough for me. Both Portis and Lopez both way outperformed expectations if you go back and look at those reactions again. Pat did twice. Like I said, Bud and this staff has a tendency to get the best out of players. I'm not clamoring for Jabari or anything, but it'd be interesting to see how he responded.
I could see getting Jabari if they traded Nwora. He could be the designated shooter on the third-string team and be 2nd string when someone is unavailable.
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:skones wrote:
First things first, you HAVE to carry 14 players on a roster. Georgios made 14. You cannot leave that roster spot open. He was the cheapest possible player to fill that 14th spot based on salary scale. Yes, UDFA are more expensive. So I believe that covers your first two paragraphs.
That would make sense.....if Georgios was on our roster. He isn't. They paid $800k to have him come here for 2 months. THEN they signed a FA. If they were being cheap they would've 1. Drafted someone better and 2. Kept them the whole year. If it was about money, he would still be here, right? (ETA: and then they also would not have traded for Allen)
IDK why they drafted him but purposely drafting someone who as you said was on no ones radar, pay 1/3 million to get him out of a contract and then cut him only to sign a FA to fill the 14th spot does not make any sense to me? Is it fishy and stupid? Probably. But I don't get how the Georgios experience saved us money?
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