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Post#3701 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:42 am

europa wrote:
jeremyd236 wrote:Like I said earlier in the thread, MJ didn't have a title yet at Lebron's age.


I loathe the Jordan-LeBron comparisons but with regard to this statement it should be pointed out that comparing the two's accomplishments at the same age doesn't mean much since LeBron entered the NBA at age 18 whereas Jordan was 21. LeBron is in his ninth NBA season. When Jordan was in his ninth season he was winning his third straight NBA title.


The GOAT didn't even get to the Finals until he was 28 and in his 7th season. That really puts things in perspective.

LeBron's career has been interesting. He's fabulously talented. He easily one of the most talented players ever. Regardless, I don't think it can be argued that his career has been unlucky in many ways. Cleveland's front office never put a great team around him. The coaches he has played for are subpar at best.

In the season they went to the Finals against SA, the top five players in minutes played in the playoffs were LeBron, Z (31 years old at that point), Hughes, Pavlovic, and Drew freakin Gooden. In the Finals, a 2nd round rookie, Boob Gibson, played the second most minutes followed by Pavlovic. That is nuts.
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Post#3702 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:56 am

There have been multiple possessions so far where LeBron hasn't even touched the ball. Spoelstra. What an idiot.
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Post#3703 » by jeremyd236 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:56 am

europa wrote:
jeremyd236 wrote:Like I said earlier in the thread, MJ didn't have a title yet at Lebron's age.


I loathe the Jordan-LeBron comparisons but with regard to this statement it should be pointed out that comparing the two's accomplishments at the same age doesn't mean much since LeBron entered the NBA at age 18 whereas Jordan was 21. LeBron is in his ninth NBA season. When Jordan was in his ninth season he was winning his third straight NBA title.



The point was supposed to be that Lebron can still win as many titles as Jordan by the time he retires.

So no, comparing seasons in the league does NOT make more sense.I don't know why number of seasons in the league would make sense considering whether you're playing college or NBA, you're still playing (wear and tear on your body). Retirement is dependent on age usually rather than number of seasons in the NBA.
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Post#3704 » by jeremyd236 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:57 am

Ayt wrote:There have been multiple possessions so far where LeBron hasn't even touched the ball. Spoelstra. What an idiot.


Completely agree. WTF? it's like they're trying to play through Wade right now.
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Post#3705 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:08 am

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Ayt wrote:There have been multiple possessions so far where LeBron hasn't even touched the ball. Spoelstra. What an idiot.


Completely agree. WTF? it's like they're trying to play through Wade right now.


And they were doing that when Bass was guarding him. Talk about awful coaching.
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Post#3706 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:18 am

To add to my earlier post about LeBron, he actually has even had bad luck in Miami. Spoelstra sucks. They used the MLE on Miller and he's been awful. Using that on a different player could have made the difference last year. Haslem was also hurt last year. That was a big loss, and he never regained his form. This year, Bosh got injured and has been a nonfactor in the ECF. Wade is playing hurt. Dalembert stupidly turned down the offer to play in Miami then signed a similar contract with Houston.

Some may see those as excuses, but things really haven't gone well for Miami since the big 3 came together. When Boston came together, Rondo and Perk emerged as key role players. Miami hasn't had that type of luck.
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Post#3707 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:34 am

This is pathetic. Spoelstra should be fired at halftime.

LeBron should kill all his teammates at HT.
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Post#3708 » by Wooderson » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:36 am

Hey look, Wade decided to go full speed for once and something positive happened. He's been in sloth mode again this first half.
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Re: First Round Playoff Thread 

Post#3709 » by Wooderson » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:41 am

LeBron's been somewhat Bogut-like in sense that he needs to act quicker. The Celts are bringing an instant double team and LeBron's waiting for it to come so he can find an open teammate. Put him in position to get the ball closer to the basketball and then he can abuse whoever's guarding him with the midrange game.
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Post#3710 » by Newz » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:47 am

Wade is a joke.
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Post#3711 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:49 am

Waiting for Lebron apologist to insist he wasn't hanging on rim.
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Post#3712 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:52 am

Im a lebrun hater but don't think a player should be judged for not winning a championship at this young of an age. Though he should get heat for game 7 in Cleveland, it is extremely hard to win a championship. Look how long it took dirk and kg and they needed a TON of help. I would be shocked if Lebrun doesn't finish with two titles though by the end of his career.
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Re: First Round Playoff Thread 

Post#3713 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:01 am

Miami has wasted a ton of possessions so far.
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Post#3714 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:04 am

It's fair to criticize when said player guaranteed not one, not two, not three...
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Post#3715 » by trwi7 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:05 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Im a lebrun hater


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Post#3716 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:09 am

Jake-very solid point

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Re: First Round Playoff Thread 

Post#3717 » by Newz » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:13 am

Wade starting to hoop.
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Re: First Round Playoff Thread 

Post#3718 » by Ayt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:14 am

Brandon Bass is guarding LeBron and they aren't continuously running the offense through him.

Where is the LeBron/Bosh pick and roll? Like Bass has any idea how to guard a pick and roll as the man on the initial ballhandler.

Spoelstra is in way over his head.
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Re: First Round Playoff Thread 

Post#3719 » by jerrod » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:27 am

jakecronus8 wrote:It's fair to criticize when said player guaranteed not one, not two, not three...


someday i hope you find the strength to overcome the optimism of an introductory press conference.

i'm sure they're very sorry for being happy
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Re: First Round Playoff Thread 

Post#3720 » by Newz » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:35 am

Starting to hope Miami loses. Wade is obnoxious.

His body language, laughing about everything, complaining and not getting back on D.

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