Mayo signs with Bucks - 3 years/$24 million per Woj

[Lippo]

except not at all. Batum is a quality point forward and those are incredibly rare in the NBA. Like I said just a post above this board loves its hyperbole

Didn't we just draft our point forward, why trade ersan/1st for a 6 year older version.

And Batum shot 42% from the field at SF. Thats worse than our checkers considering their positions.

I didn't say we had to trade for him I was disputing the notion that he isn't very good or just another version of Martell Webster. Also his shooting fell off of a cliff when he injured his wrist which he played through the last third of the season.

The whole discussion was based off a TI. I was contesting ersan/1st for him, and if he shot 38% 3's his wrist was fine, it's his inside game that struggled.

[MrPerfect1]

Ersan himself has more value than Batum. If anything Portland should add. Ersan adds more value to a team at a much cheaper price

[bucksbrewers3]

I love the vibe on the board.

Hey we just shot ourselves in the foot but at least it wasn't the head.

This team still doesn't have a direction. Still is going to be .500. And we just picked up a bad player that is going to push us more towards that hell.

But at least we didn't give him that extra year or that extra million per year.

I guess as Bucks fans we have to take victories where we can. I am tired of this team. Can they just move to Seattle already?

what makes him a bad player in your eyes?

I see a guy with a good TS% a guy that can handle the ball and is a bigger SG at 25 years old. im not sure what you expected. Maybe CP3 and Dwight.

[Mr Anonymous]

Eh, somebody needed to score points on this team. They're still gonna suck though

[LUKE23]

His TS is around league average career and he isn't big for a SG. He's probably slightly undersized actually.

[bucksbrewers3]

His TS is around league average career and he isn't big for a SG. He's probably slightly undersized actually.

well I meant bigger as in bigger than what we threw out there last year.

[Buckrageous]

This is just not a bad signing at these years and dollars. It just isn't.

The problem again is the "plan". We've got to do some serious additional "win now" moves in the next week for this to make any sense.

The Celtics - Nets trade was a glaring example of what the Bucks are not. The Nets went f it and went all in. The Celtics said f it we are blowing the whole thing up. Whether it works out for either franchise is to be determined but they chose a direction and went for it.

The Bucks drafted an 18 year old from the second division Greek league and a week later offered 32 year old Kyle Korver a contract. They went half assed in each direction. You draft GA you shouldof acquired more picks and went young. Or if you were going to reach out to vets in FA you might as well draft somekne who can play now. The Bucks chose both and will get neither.

[bucksbrewers3]

This is just not a bad signing at these years and dollars. It just isn't.

The problem again is the "plan". We've got to do some serious additional "win now" moves in the next week for this to make any sense.

The Celtics - Nets trade was a glaring example of what the Bucks are not. The Nets went f it and went all in. The Celtics said f it we are blowing the whole thing up. Whether it works out for either franchise is to be determined but they chose a direction and went for it.

The Bucks drafted an 18 year old from the second division Greek league and a week later offered 32 year old Kyle Korver a contract. They went half assed in each direction. You draft GA you shouldof acquired more picks and went young. Or if you were going to reach out to vets in FA you might as well draft somekne who can play now. The Bucks chose both and will get neither.

I can see how people say the Celtics are 'blowing it up" but they still have rondo and until they trade him they will always be able to be at least around .500. The nets "going for it" is them getting a couple 35 year olds which means nothing. they will have injuries throughout the year and I see it more about the names then the actual game they play. they wont get past the second round

[paulpressey25]

The Bucks drafted an 18 year old from the second division Greek league and a week later offered 32 year old Kyle Korver a contract. They went half assed in each direction.

Yep. And this is why I was glad to hear Sparky at least try to call out Charles Gardner on WSSP yesterday in order to question what we are doing. Gardner was claiming "we are going young now" with the draft pick of Giannis. No we are not.

As part of people in the media calling out Herb Kohl for this crappy win now/win later strategy, someone needs to point out that you just don't get a lot better with draft picks in the 10-16 range like we've had for much of the Herb Kohl era. Sure, every now and then you hit on a Larry Sanders. But those aren't that often.

[LUKE23]

The Nets made the right play. They were already completely tied up with veteran salary and in a win now position. They took back upgrades at SF and PF for next year. They will be really good, even if their window is small. The Bucks are still in the same spot as last year essentially. You can't win now and rebuild at the same time in the NBA. It isn't possible.

[Sigra]

What's the logjam at FC? Sanders plays 35, Eran plays 35, Henson plays 20, Udoh plays 10. It adds up to over 96 min but injuries happens so they will pick up minutes then.

I guess it all depends on your take of Henson. My hope is that we insert him as our starting PF and move Ersan. No need for 2 starting PF's especially when you are so thin elsewhere.

Move Ersan and maybe another asset for a starting SF.

Then you go with Henson / Sanders and Udoh backing them both up. Of course you will need the Veteran depth at position, but that can be addressed towards the end as we finalize our roster.

Don't forget Moute who is more PF than SF IMO.

[Frank Nova]

Ak47 would be a solid win now move on a cheap 2yr deal. I don't want a trade for Granger because we would just try to extend him. 2yrs of AK and out the door is perfectly fine by me.

[paulpressey25]

For me my goals are more realistic. I simply want a fun to watch competitive team. If I could get back to that consistent 50 win team I am pretty happy.

The last time the Bucks won 50 games was the 2000-01 season. The prior time to that it was the 1986-1987 season, Kohl's first full year as owner I believe.

I am completely on your side in not needing a title contender to be happy. Just noting that the media has not held Kohl accountable for just how horrible his stewardship of the team has been record wise. The Bucks freely admit their goal isn't a title, they always talk about being competitive, maybe a 50-game winner.

The fact they have achieved their "goal" exactly once since 1987 (26 years ago) is the worst regular season performance track record of any team in the NBA under that metric. Wizards might be there also. But that's it.

People just don't realize how horrible this core front office has performed. We are such good fans that we allowed the 1999-2002 period to be considered a roaring success to tide us over for another decade.

[Nycballa2k]

Didn't we just draft our point forward, why trade ersan/1st for a 6 year older version.

And Batum shot 42% from the field at SF. Thats worse than our checkers considering their positions.

I didn't say we had to trade for him I was disputing the notion that he isn't very good or just another version of Martell Webster. Also his shooting fell off of a cliff when he injured his wrist which he played through the last third of the season.

The whole discussion was based off a TI. I was contesting ersan/1st for him, and if he shot 38% 3's his wrist was fine, it's his inside game that struggled.

His wrist wasn't fine. How do you even come to that conclusion based on his 3pt%? I had him on my fantasy team and all the news regarding him for the last 2-3 months of the season was whether the Blazers would shut him down due to his wrist. During that stretch he was shooting in the 20-40% range which lowered his FG% significantly. "His wrist was fine" just ugh

[ReddWing]

I like the move. Its low risk, cheap, fills a void, and perhaps he improves. As far as I'm concerned we got our core FC in place. Hopefully Ersan has a big year and we flip him. Same goes with OJ on a reasonable deal in the near future.

[giraldo5]

Batun is maybe top 85 in the league.. We could have got Webster.. Same player almost.

You are clueless I'm sorry.

[Nebula1]

3 years is fine. Hopefully we draft his replacement in 2014.

[Frank Nova]

For me my goals are more realistic. I simply want a fun to watch competitive team. If I could get back to that consistent 50 win team I am pretty happy.

The last time the Bucks won 50 games was the 2000-01 season. The prior time to that it was the 1986-1987 season, Kohl's first full year as owner I believe.

I am completely on your side in not needing a title contender to be happy. Just noting that the media has not held Kohl accountable for just how horrible his stewardship of the team has been record wise. The Bucks freely admit their goal isn't a title, they always talk about being competitive, maybe a 50-game winner.

The fact they have achieved their "goal" exactly once since 1987 (26 years ago) is the worst regular season performance track record of any team in the NBA under that metric. Wizards might be there also. But that's it.

People just don't realize how horrible this core front office has performed. We are such good fans that we allowed the 1999-2002 period to be considered a roaring success to tide us over for another decade.

Everyone knows in this day and age of the NBA, u need star power to survive. After 26 years, 2/3yrs of prime Ray Allen is the biggest trophy in the case. And how does that story end? Trade him for 30gms of Gary Payton. I don't necessarily need a perennial contender but I've been a die hard fan 20+ years so I'd like to think we all deserve better than that at this point.

[eagle13]

Eagle....you don't have to keep giving up that number one pick for WIlson Chandler. Denver can't pay Ellis more than the MLE. Would have to be a sign and trade.

Press- wiretap says since Iggy is now off the books Denver can sign ellis at 12 outright but may consider s&t to preserve room for other fa signings.

[Nycballa2k]

Eagle....you don't have to keep giving up that number one pick for WIlson Chandler. Denver can't pay Ellis more than the MLE. Would have to be a sign and trade.

Press- wiretap says since Iggy is now off the books Denver can sign ellis at 12 outright but may consider s&t to preserve room for other fa signings.

I'd throw in Moute too if they wanted. I know they wanted him in the past